Spider-Man 2 (2004)

[mzarynn]

Re: Spiderman 2

My husband and I just saw Spiderman 2 last night. We both enjoyed it very much. Any idea how many Spiderman movies they will be making?

 

[Brian G Turner]

Re: Spiderman 2

Oh, great - that's got the film over-hyped already.

I'll wait for it on DVD, then buy it for my better half.

 

[Ivo]

Re: Post-Spiderman 2 discussion (dont look if you dont want plot spoliers!!!)

Venom would be cool yeah, but Raimi seemed to be pushing Dr. Connors character quite a bit. I think we may see The Lizard in the next film.
Is it a forgone conclusion that we will see Green Goblin 2? Perhaps we will get the Hobgoblin?

I agree, it seems like The Lizard is next. I would prefer not seeing Green Goblin 2 though because I really don't think James Franco has the acting chops to make a good bad guy. He barely has the acting skills to handle the role he's in much less trying to fill Dafoe's shoes. Plus, if we do see Green Goblin 2 and the Hobgoblin in seperate films they would tend to dominate the franchise overall and those characters were always my least favorite of Spidey's villians.

Do you think they will avoid introducing Kingpin as he made a pivotal appearance in the recent Daredveil moive, or will this not matter to Raimi. He may be in danger of confusing the general viewing public introducing the character again.

I haven't heard or read anything that this is going to happen. With the Daredevil movie having already shown him I think Raimi will avoid it.

I may be way off the mark here, but was it just me or did Doc Ock look not completely dead as he sunk? Maybe I am mistaken, or perhaps I just detected some movement I wasn't meant to, is he definately dead?

I was thinking the same thing both times I saw it! He appears to be dying but they cut away before you see him eat it for good so anything can be possible.

I really can't believe there are three more movies planned though, sheesh, the last one wouldn't come out until at least 2013...I just can't see Tobey's hairline holding up that long nor do I think it would be easy for a 38 year old to play a young man in his early twenties...I wonder if cast changes will be made before the last one outside of Dunst already planning to leave after the next one.

 

[mac1]

Re: Post-Spiderman 2 discussion (dont look if you dont want plot spoliers!!!)

I agree, it seems like The Lizard is next. I would prefer not seeing Green Goblin 2 though because I really don't think James Franco has the acting chops to make a good bad guy. He barely has the acting skills to handle the role he's in much less trying to fill Dafoe's shoes. Plus, if we do see Green Goblin 2 and the Hobgoblin in seperate films they would tend to dominate the franchise overall and those characters were always my least favorite of Spidey's villians.

I agree, have the Goblin characters in 3 of the films would really be an unwise move. Plus in retrospect, didnt you find that the Green Goblin really didn't transfer to the big screen anywhere near as well as Doc Ock?

I was thinking the same thing both times I saw it! He appears to be dying but they cut away before you see him eat it for good so anything can be possible.

Excellent! I am so glad it wasn't just me thinking that!!!
I hope we are right, an epic and (half) unexpected return in a later movie (at a pivotal moment of course) would be magnificent!

I really can't believe there are three more movies planned though, sheesh, the last one wouldn't come out until at least 2013...I just can't see Tobey's hairline holding up that long nor do I think it would be easy for a 38 year old to play a young man in his early twenties...I wonder if cast changes will be made before the last one outside of Dunst already planning to leave after the next one.

Yeah does make you wonder doesn't it. With regards Dunst leaving, do you think they will simply continue without MJ being around? I do hope they dont cast someone else to play her, I hate when they do that. Not sure how they are going to tackle Toby's increasing age though!!?! I'm not sure it would work to simply write it into the plot, but hoping the audience just wont notice it would not be wise either. Is it possible we will see the introduction of a new love interest for Spidey in the next film?

Did anyone see the new animated Spiderman series, which was set between the first two films? I thought it was superb, in many respects I enjoyed it more than the first movie, anybody know if a second series is planned between the second and third movies?

 

[Ivo]

Re: Post-Spiderman 2 discussion (dont look if you dont want plot spoliers!!!)

Plus in retrospect, didnt you find that the Green Goblin really didn't transfer to the big screen anywhere near as well as Doc Ock?

Yes, and I had a feeling he wouldn't when I first read about him being the first villain. William DaFoe did a great job in the role though...

Excellent! I am so glad it wasn't just me thinking that!!!
I hope we are right, an epic and (half) unexpected return in a later movie (at a pivotal moment of course) would be magnificent!

I was thinking when I noticed that scene that they may have planned that after seeing how awesome Molina was in roll. I can see it happening for sure.

With regards Dunst leaving, do you think they will simply continue without MJ being around? I do hope they dont cast someone else to play her, I hate when they do that. Not sure how they are going to tackle Toby's increasing age though!!?! I'm not sure it would work to simply write it into the plot, but hoping the audience just wont notice it would not be wise either. Is it possible we will see the introduction of a new love interest for Spidey in the next film?

You know, I doubt they will cast another girl in the role. I think they are setting something up with Betty Brant, I'm no expert on the comic's full story line but I did read somewhere that she was a love interest in the comics to some degree. The way she acts with Peter in the film (the nice smiles, the hand on the shoulders when J. Jonah fired and re-hired Peter, etc.) seems to indicate a bigger role in the future. To tell you the truth, she is about ten times hotter than Dunst imo so I wouldn't mind seeing her more.

Did anyone see the new animated Spiderman series, which was set between the first two films? I thought it was superb, in many respects I enjoyed it more than the first movie, anybody know if a second series is planned between the second and third movies?

If your talking about the MTV CGI animated series then yes, it was outstanding. I enjoyed it as much as the movies as well!

 

[The Master™]

Re: Post-Spiderman 2 discussion (dont look if you dont want plot spoliers!!!)

So, has anyone found out why Alfred Molina didn't put on a German/Austrian accent for Doc Ock??? And Why has he become just Doc Ock, and not Doctor Octopus???

HAHAHAH, like what people have said about James Franco, he couldn't look or act as mental as Willem Dafoe - that bloke has made a career of that look, just like John Malcovich!!!

So, what has been said about future films??? Any tie-ins with X-Men, Hulk, Fantastic Four (though I keep wanting to say Famous Five, for some reason), Daredevil???

Did they have Doctor Connors in the second film (I know he was mentioned in passing in the first), about to turn into Croc (I always mix him up with Killer Croc from Batman)??? Where is King Pin??? Are all the super heroes in New York??? How come they don't seem to meet???

So many villains and so few films likely, before they have to change actors!!! BRING ON THE RED SKULL!!! BWAHAHAHA!!!

Where is Venom, the best thing that happened to Spider-man in many a day!!! And Carnage!!! Make the movie certificate an 18!!! WOOHOO!!!

Can't wait to see the movie on Tuesday...

 

[Sirathiel]

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I'm definitely planning on seeing that one. I already like the first one, so there's a good chance I'll like this one, too. And the best of it: I'll go see it in the one language I never had any problem understanding!!!! (And no, that's not English...)

 

[Annette]

Wow this thread is OLD!! LOL

Went to see spiderman 2 last night, was very good. Special effects were amazing. spoiler alert below (just in case - as no film thread available).

Spoiler

Alfred Molina was brilliant as Dr Otto Octavius. Obviously the story between Peter and MJ is still ongoing. (with the on-off romance/love etc.

Harry Osbourn is the person who helps finance Dr Octavius's project. Donna Murphy plays his wife - Mrs Octavius. The one particular scene which I thought brilliant was the tube/train/the El. Spiderman was attacked by Octavius and ended up on the train. Octavius damages the train which goes into overdrive. Spiderman has to save it. The effects were fantastic in this scene.

Hope someone goes to see it soon or posts here too.

annette

 

[tokyogirl]

ditto to everything you said! just saw it for the second time last night.

but...

i was watching a bit of oprah when toby and kirsten were on, and we couldn't help but notice how angry they seemed to be at each other. apparently the two of them dated for a bit during the filming of the original but only for a short time. apparently kirsten feels that toby tried to use the relationship to further his career. (like making him look more macho) also, she's been dating Jake Gyllenhaal for a while now, and from my understanding he and toby are pretty close friends (or at least they used to be....)

 

[Annette]

whooppee!! someone else has seen it, glad you agree with the things i said. can't wait till it comes out on DVD hehe!!

i couldn't see toby and kirsten as a couple. they don't look right LOL. never heard of her chap - jake whatisname. jealousy is a bad thing.

annette

 

[nemogbr]

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Definitely better than the first one and I actually found Daredevil very disappointing.

My one nitpick was when Peter Parker refused to help a guy being mugged. Come on, any self respecting individual would have jumped in and helped the guy. He seemed to be in the mind set of "you can only help if you have super powers".

 

[The Master™]

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[edit by I, Brian]************ SPOILERS ALERT **************[/edit]





I watched Spider-Man 2 today...

Hmmmm, I was a little perplexed by the mugging scene, and then later runs into a burning building?!?!?

And the fact of him showing nearly all of New York who he was!!! I can't see that happening... Especially since he was going to great lengths to keep his identity secret from MJ and Aunt May!!!

But, NO, all the people on the train, DOCTOR OCTOPUS, Harry Osbourn... Then MJ just happens to see, and they have that heart-to-heart - lousy scene, by the way!!!

And that Wedding Dress - YIKES!!! What a horrible thing!!!

I see that they brought in John Jameson... Possible space mission and Venom on the horizon??? And Doctor Connors - so a certain reptile, eh???

But no Eddie Brock???

I like the J Johan Jameson character, such a pain in the backside!!! But soooooo funny!!! And cheap!!! HAHAHA!!!

Will Parker move back in with Aunt May??? Or is the house gone???

All in all, a damn fine film... Fight scenes were excellent, shame about Donna whats-her-face, sliced by the glass - but nothing on the corpse (that I could see)!!!!

And the vertigo attack was quite good...

 

[tokyogirl]

jake has been in a few recognizable movies like bubble boy, donnie darko, the good girl, and more recently the day after tomorrow.

but yeah, i can't really see the two of them together either. something else i found out, kirsten only got the role of mj after kate hudson turned it down....now i REALLY don't see kate hudson in this role...

 

[tokyogirl]

spiderman 2

spoiler warnings....
ok, i've seen this film twice now and i still love it. one thing though, peter tries to read poetry to get mj to fall for him, and then he screws it up later by saying 'punch me, i bleed' in stead of 'cut me...' it's supposed to be kind of funny, the thing is that line has become so cliche over the years the most people don't remember that it comes from poetry, and both times i saw this the only response from people around me was 'that was a bad line'

 

[FeedMeTV]

I loved this film! I reckon Toby's better in this one and the special effects are great. The train scene was amazing when the passengers caught him before they fall and carried him in. If he carries on like that everyone in New York is going to know who he is!

 

[little smaug]

I wasn't too impressed with this film, for me it was really similar to the first one. And for some reason, Peter seemed very whiney and annoying. :disgust:

But I did like Octavius, and the train scene was brilliant.

 

[tokyogirl]

just two words for peter though....SECRET IDENTITY
is there anyone left in his life, or possible new york, that doesn't know who he is?

 

[Sirathiel]

Re: Post-Spiderman 2 discussion (dont look if you dont want plot spoliers!!!)

Well, I finally got around to see the movie and I thought it great! Ok, there were some things that surprised me, like to revelation towards MJ at the end. I thought it a bit early. On the other hand, in regards to Parker's continuous bad luck, it would have been unbelievable if MJ had stuck around for him much longer...

Concerning the question of 3 following movies... Why not let Spidey age? Let him have kids and stuff... On the other hand, this is supposed to be a bunch of action hero movies... Not much room for kids there...

 

[Morning Star]

Late opinion on Spiderman 2. It sucked.

WARNING, SPOILERS!


Just watched it on DVD this weekend and boy was I disappointed. I cannot understand the incredibly ludicrous changed that were made, nor the number of mistakes, nor the dullness between the repetitive fight scenes, nor the hype that was surrounding the movie.

I just could not wait for it to end! I mean, sequels are almost always just remakes of the original, but to do it so blatantly??? Maryjane and Aunt May kidnapped/assaulted AGAIN? Spidey revealing his identity to the bad guy AGAIN? Bad guy struggling with conflicting emotions...AGAIN?

Biggest problems I had with the film:

1. Spidey seems to have a selective spider sense at times...sometimes it works...sometimes it dont...granted it could have been because of his other powers failing...but somehow I do not think the guys in charge thought that far ahead.

2. Doc Oc talking to his tentacles? What the hell? Since when? That was just stupid, they are just arms...it was more cool to think of them as extensions of himself than another living organism...and what was up with those mewling/squeaking noise they made? That was just stupid. In fact, his chatting to the arms...reminded me a lot of the relationship that hosts had with their symbiote costumes. (Aka Venom)

3. Doc Oc shrugging off Spideys punches. What? Octavius is just a normal fat guy, that's all. His tentacles are super strong though, each one being able to lift 3 tons if I am not mistaken. Otto was the first villian that Spidey was not able to beat straight away, he could never get close enough to hit him...because all it would take to knock him out is one punch!!! (As has happened in lots of issues) but in this film, Spidey (who is strong enough to hoist a tank over his head in the comics and in the film, stops a runaway train.) punches him full on...without even knocking him out?

4. Otto is instructed to find Parker and ask him where Spiderman is, cos he is the key to getting him. So what does the genius scientist do? THROW A CAR AT HIM? Yeah, cos if I wanted to talk to someone I would try kill them first. THEN HE BURIES HIM UNDER RUBBLE???? Where is the logic?

The cool things about the movie were the little touches.

1 Peter's one armed lecturer is Doctor John Conners...aka...THE LIZARD!

2 Jamesons spaceman son becomes Moonwolf and later is in charge of rehabilitating super powered criminals

3 Bruce Campbell AKA Ash from the EVIL DEAD series of films as the usher in the cinema. This was probably my favourite part in the movie.

4 Stan Lee saving a woman from falling rubble

5 Matthew Perry AKA Chandler from Friends, buying a newspaper.

 

[polymorphikos]

Re: Late opinion on Spiderman 2. It sucked.

Right, so the movie being funny, well-shot, emotionally-complex (or at least more so than most superhero adaptations) passably faithful (this is the film, after all. You get surprisingly-few complaints about Spidey's ability to organically synthesise webbing, but complaints about the introduction of a character element to the villain that makes him less two-dimensional and far more understandable and real) and all that doesn't do anything for you? It had a few clunky moments but it ran smoother than the original, and I think the whole car thing was supposed to be (on a level under than its 'pretty cool' factor) the fact that his arms are crazy killbots and he isn't. The complaints you've listed are all fairly trivial, but if that's how you choose to approach comic-book films in a world where anything other than absolute drivel is rare, suit yourself. As to the replay of the first script, it's Spiderman. It's not The Watchmen.