Suicide - Always read the first post please

[orionsixwings]

don't mean to be rude or insensitive, but those who say that suicide is not madness have a very distorted understanding of themselves and of life. If there is anything rational in hurting oneself why is there so much effort spent on healing? Why the need to cure the flu? Why would your body even attempt at regenerating itself to replace dead cells?

This world we live in today has changed our perspective on life so much that we don't think of it as precious anymore - it's just another life in a world where there are billions to spare. But the truth is each life is unique and precious and should be preserved at all costs - even from oneself. That is why we are considered the highest form of living beings on this planet - we have that inherited desire to continue living, not just by instinct (survival and existence), but out of desire (living).

So to end one's life deliberately is going against that norm - anything against the normal, is abnormal.

 

[Alia]

don't mean to be rude or insensitive, but those who say that suicide is not madness have a very distorted understanding of themselves and of life. If there is anything rational in hurting oneself why is there so much effort spent on healing? Why the need to cure the flu? Why would your body even attempt at regenerating itself to replace dead cells?

Have you done your research on Mental Illness? On depression? To make such a statement?

But the truth is each life is unique and precious and should be preserved at all costs - even from oneself. That is why we are considered the highest form of living beings on this planet - we have that inherited desire to continue living, not just by instinct (survival and existence), but out of desire (living).

Every animal I have ever encountered has a desire to live. Humans are not unique in this quality... We are the highest life form due to our ability to think and rationalize.

Orionsix, do you have any close experience with depression or know some one close to you who has?

 

[orionsixwings]

Have you done your research on Mental Illness? On depression? To make such a statement?

As a matter of fact yes, I have.

Every animal I have ever encountered has a desire to live. Humans are not unique in this quality... We are the highest life form due to our ability to think and rationalize.

Animals don't have desires - desire is a human trait. What they have is a biological instinct to survive.

Orionsix, do you have any close experience with depression or know some one close to you who has?

As a matter of fact I am suffering from Schizophrenia. I also have CFS, and have attempted to kill myself twice. So yeah, I admit to the lunacy.

 

[Alia]

Then I will strongly disagree with you on this matter of a temporary state concerning suicide...

 

[orionsixwings]

Then I will strongly disagree with you on this matter of a temporary state concerning suicide...

WEll, I don't expect everyone to agree. I couldn't accept it as well, the first time my doctor explained it to me, but when I did a research on it for my term paper, I understood and that's what I shared.

 

[garreth Jacks]

sorry for not replying sooner

If you had asked me this question two weeks ago I would have said it is a jerky thing to do and it was selfish and a waste of life now I think differently on the mater.


A week ago I was about to commit suicide for my life was a mess still is, my mum actually hated me that much she total me to do it which destroyed me emotionally and I did not care what happened to me.

The only think that stopped me doing it was that I could not put my twin brother though all the pain and sorrow.

My life has not improved much, but I could never take my life it does not mater if I about to fail the course I am on or where I end up in life I could never put people I love in to the same or worse pain than I am in now

 

[ASGARD]

The only thing that I know is that going on in life no telling people how you feel will only exasperate things. May be you should go to the doctors with you mum and force here to realise how you feel because you mother is in denial about you being serious about suicide. Your mother is scared and lashes out the only way she knows how by anger so speck to you farther he will listen and confront you mother to back off. Hopefully this will help if not you mother will still take into consideration to be more understanding.



Any way try telling you friend about it.

 

[Calis]

Personally I think Suicide is the easy way out and just 'quitting' so to speak. Life cannot be that tough that you can't work out your issues.

And I have heard some bizarre suicide reasons, one because they broke up with their boyfriend, another because they were afriad to tell there parents they didnt do well in a school test.

None the less it happens, and ASGARD is right, if you have those feelings where you want to end, feeling alone etc, you gotta tell someone about it.
The worst thing you can do is keep it to yourself, especially if you cannot handle it.

 

[Leto]

And I have heard some bizarre suicide reasons, one because they broke up with their boyfriend, another because they were afriad to tell there parents they didnt do well in a school test.

Most of the time in this case, severe nervous breakdown (a disease) is the underlying cause. And when you suffer from it, suicide temptations are very strong even if rationally you know suicide is a stupid and extreme solution to your problems.

 

[Calis]

Wouldnt all cases of suicide/attempted suicide (which used to be against the law, i'd like to know how you prosecute someone who isnt alive) be a case of imbalances in the brain or some sort of mental disorder?

 

[Leto]

nope.
You can commit suicide because you have no option left, terminal disease for example and no point to suffer too much.
Or simply because you've decided you had enough with life (without exterior reason). Rare and egocentric decision, but no mental disorder. I personnaly knew someone who didn't plan to live past 60. In his final month, he took care of all his goods to reduce tax for the ones he wanted to inherit them, closed all his businesses, and shot himself dead for his 60th birthday. Was a quite egocentric decision (and painful for the relatives and friends) but perfectly sane one.

 

[Calis]

Is that sane thinking though?

Terminal Illness is a little different though.

 

[Alia]

Is that sane thinking though?

Terminal Illness is a little different though

Sane thinking? Depends on who your asking... if you ask a person who is sick and depressed, then yes. To someone who doesn't think of suicide, then no... It's all in the perspective of things.

 

[Calis]

Well Depression is a mental illness, but I was refering to the example of a person who killed himself at 60.

Of course Sanity is subjective, maybe they are the sane ones and we are crazy???

 

[AmonRa]

nope.
but perfectly sane one.

how can killing ur self 'just cos u dont wanna grow older than 60' be sane? it would probably make more sense if he had a hard life or something... but from what u posted it doesnt sound like it.

 

[Leto]

Other than this decision, he acted perfectly sane and never show any trace of disorder. And reasonably explain his decision - I too shout he was crazy the first time he told us (all the people who inherited from him - my lot where a few paperbacks and comics nobody but a 15 years old would use.) of his decision. But he was very calm and sound, and as I said in a much less polite way : a f*$%ing egoist.

 

[Calis]

Narcissism?

Although they tend to love themselves to much to kill themselves.

 

[Leto]

how can killing ur self 'just cos u dont wanna grow older than 60' be sane? it would probably make more sense if he had a hard life or something... but from what u posted it doesnt sound like it.

Didn't want to get old and suffer old age demency (Alzeihmer IIRC) which was rampant in his family. Strangely the older I get, the better I understand him. Even if I don't forgive him, nor has taken a similar decision.

 

[kyektulu]

I must admit I have tried to commit suicide on several occasions, I am not going to go into all of the reasons why but in short I suffered from depression and have a form of mania (I see and hear things) my latter condition has not yet been diagnosed but the treatment is ongoing.
The first time I attempted suicide I was 14 years old and took an overdose luckily I was found by a family member and got taken to hospital and had my stomache pumped. After this I was referred to a childrens psychologist who was no good at her job and it didnt help me in the slightest I just got more and more down. I left school to have home tuition and stopped seeing my friends I would just lock myself in my room all day sleeping because when I woke I was just overwhelmed with negative thoughts and self hatred. I started cutting myself with razor blades.
At the time I had never heard of anyone doing this before (I know now it is all over the media now and very much hyped up. I have seen teenagers in the parks scratching themselves with compass' saying how depressed they are because they have seen it on television) and from what my psychologist said she had never known anyone else who did this either. Now I beleive it has become somewhat trendy to do it.
I became distant to my family wouldnt talk to anyone much my eating became erratic sometimes I would not eat at all for days then suddenly I would be cramming anything edible into my mouth not even tasting the food.
Eventually my mother found out that I was self harming, she walked into the bathroom when I was in the bath and she just burst into floods of tears. This made me so much more guilty so I self harmed more... a bad cycle I couldnt seem to drag myself out of.
The psychologist found out off my mother and then there was endless specilists seeing me and examinations of her collegues refferals to other branches of counselling...
The ultimate insult came when I saw a different counsellor and he said to my mother infront of me I was doing it for attention! This I can see now was inane since I did not go out and see anybody or even when I was in the psychology sessions, say anything! That drove me to try and commit suicide for the second time I slit my wrists, after another hospital trip I was ok. The downside was the hospital trying to put me away in an insane asylum.
After many years of therapy I gradually got better, so much that I started college and went out to the pubs with friends and even got a boyfriend.
To make this story shorter we saw each other for six months before we moved in together, I always heard rumours of his infidelity but dissmissed them as jealous lies.
When we lived together he would often dissapear for days on end and come home with stupid excuses I even found girls phone numbers in his pockets when I was doing the laundry but he talked me round...
This started my depression again and once more I began self harming. One day he had gone to the pub with a friend and I was at home he sent me an explicit text meant for another girl. We had a huge arguement and he dissapeared once more. I tried to end my own life and got much closer than ever I slit my wrists and lost a pint and a half of blood, after which he shouted at me for trying to commit suicide the day before his dental appointment for his sore tooth!
That was the last time I tried to end my life. I am happy to say I havnt done any such thing for a very long time, I have got rid of him and I am happy in my life.
I view suicide as a desperate persons only means of escape, it is a selfish thing to do I admit, when I tried to do it I was only thinking of myself and my unhappiness, I thought about the ones I would leave behind but didnt much care I was so self engrossed. I didnt much believe in heaven or hell, didnt bother about what would happen to me on the other side.
Now I know that life is precious and should never be taken lightly. It is a gift we have been given and if one is unhappy with it the only way out of depression is to help yourself others cannot do it for you.

 

[SciFi_Short_Story]

My roommate in college considered suicide, but read CS Lewis' The Problem With Pain, which helped him completely get over his desire. He's doing great, now.

As for myself, it had once been an option, but the joy of having someone be your God is that you have hope to get through the tough times - it's like the saying, "After a dark night is a bright sunrise."