SPOILERS: Theory on Jon

[Lacedaemonian]

A tequila cat would be funnier - the ******* wouldn't be expecting that!!

 

[hodor]

WHAHAHAHAHA! I have a cape too!

 

[LadyFel]

Well, I've always said one of the reasons I re-read favourite books is that I always gain some new insights, bits I might have missed because they either fit so well they pass me by or I just miss them because I'm concentrating on another aspect of the situation...Well...I just discovered a whammy in 'A Storm of Swords'... I don't think anyone's mentioned it yet...

During his conversation with Cersei in the godswood, Eddard is asked how much he loves his children for the second time in a few weeks...Anyway, here's the quote:

If it came to that, the life of some child I did not know, against Robb and Sansa and Arya and Bran and Rickon, what would I do? Even more so, What would Catelyn do, if it were Jon's life, against the children of her body?'

I only just realised he doesn't mention Jon as HIS child, that the implication is that Catelyn is the only one who might see him as a threat to her own children, believing him to be his...

Tell me I'm not the only one who missed this or I'm going to cry...My husband just looked at me as if I was from Mars or something, and said 'Ummm...Yeah, I know...'

 

[jnr_turtle]

I only just realised he doesn't mention Jon as HIS child, that the implication is that Catelyn is the only one who might see him as a threat to her own children, believing him to be his...

Tell me I'm not the only one who missed this or I'm going to cry...My husband just looked at me as if I was from Mars or something, and said 'Ummm...Yeah, I know...'

LOL Don't worry, I missed it completely as well >< But whenever I read, I'm pretty blind concerning these things

At least you picked it up in the end...

 

[Brian G Turner]

Never noticed that detail either - but at that early stage, it's not something most people can be expected to be primed for.

 

[Fitz]

Well, I've always said one of the reasons I re-read favourite books is that I always gain some new insights, bits I might have missed because they either fit so well they pass me by or I just miss them because I'm concentrating on another aspect of the situation...

LOL, I miss REALLY obviuos clues all the time, but that's a really great quote

 

[shaggydog]

I think your theory is very interesting, it would be great Dany and Jon half brothers... but i can not help thinking that if Jon is not really Ned's *******, why, in the first chapter of GoT, GRRM gives him a direwolf?? dont u remember Jon saying icely to Theon Grevjoy. "This one is mine" (more or less, I read it in spanish so I dont know the exact words martin used...)
but anyway... maybe you are right!!

 

[LadyFel]

Well, even if he isn't Ned's, Lyanna was also a Stark, which still makes him what he is - a Stark *******...And his direwolf was also a cast-out from his 'brothers'...

 

[cercar]

I've given this post a lot of thought and posted on a few other forums about it. There is still Maester Aemon up at the wall. He probably knows what happened to Rhaegal and Lyanna. I don't know if he had left the court to study to be a maester before all this happened. He explains it in a game of thrones but i can't remember the passage. Anyway that would make Jon and himself related so that may be why he took such a shine to him.

 

[n8smitty]

My prediction (and you know you care):

Howland Reed expels the Greyjoys, secures the Neck, so that Roose and his ******* get whats comin' to them via Stannis, who hears all about Jon's true identity from the swamp man himself, and dishes the Boltons a nice taste of crow. IF ONLY I could predict the fate of The Twins. I'd love for the Freys to get tag-team ravaged by Northmen and Rivermen, but it doesn't seem likely.

A few things are obvious about Jon's future: Jon hooks up with Bran to defend the wall in book 5, clearly. Jon's clearly a Targaryen, but he doesn't hook up with Dany. Dany dies at the hands of Strong Belwas, because he doesn't like it when people make fun of his scars and big gut.

 

[hodor]

Oh, SHUT UP. Stong Belwas is NOTHING! Hodor can take him on in an instant!

 

[shaggydog]

Any person who wants Dany killed has to front her dragons first... and, please, Strong Belwas is not clever enough... '
I like every moment a bit more this idea of Jon being a Targaryen... still... I should read the books again carefully... so much clues I missed

 

[Brian G Turner]

I've given this post a lot of thought and posted on a few other forums about it. There is still Maester Aemon up at the wall. He probably knows what happened to Rhaegal and Lyanna. I don't know if he had left the court to study to be a maester before all this happened. He explains it in a game of thrones but i can't remember the passage. Anyway that would make Jon and himself related so that may be why he took such a shine to him.

That's a good call cercar - and welcome to the chronicles network.

 

[n8smitty]

Any person who wants Dany killed has to front her dragons first... and, please, Strong Belwas is not clever enough... '
I like every moment a bit more this idea of Jon being a Targaryen... still... I should read the books again carefully... so much clues I missed

The Strong Belwas thing was a joke. Dany is the central character of the series along with Jon. She won't die. The Red Viper can die, yes, but no way he'll (Martin) let her die.

 

[Lacedaemonian]

I would agree with you but the fella kills off central characters for laughs. There is very little predictability with these books.

 

[erickad71]

I would agree with you but the fella kills off central characters for laughs. There is very little predictability with these books.

Which is, of course, the reason we love the series so much.

 

[Lacedaemonian]

Absolutely. Edge of the seat stuff.

 

[shaggydog]

Which characters do you think will arrive alive to the end of the serie? which will die in the way? I was just thinking (for once)...

 

[AryaUnderfoot]

Ok going back to the topic of Jon's parentage, Robert Baratheon would have killed Jon regardless of whether his conception was a product of passion or rape. Either theory works. Ned grieved for Lyanna, yes, but he does not seem like a man to harbor hatred, like Robert, so if Rhaegar had raped Lyanna, Ned probably would have been more bent out of shape about the loss of his sister, and his honorable pledge to protect her son from harm. As far as the rest of it goes, if Ned had so much respect for Rhaegar, I doubt that his honor would have allowed him to support Robert instead of his reigning King and Prince Rhaegar. Ned's respect was more for Arthur Dayne, and not the man he was protecting.

As for Jon and Dany starting a romantic relationship, I really doubt it will happen. Every feeling revolts, as a matter of fact.

Jon is Ice, as a Stark and the Lord Commander of the Night Watch. Daenerys is Fire, as a Targaryen and the Mother of Dragons. Their blood relationship is what ties them together. However, I am thinking that there is one more person who will be included in the grand scheme of things. After all, in "A Clash of Kings," Daenerys hears about the Dragon having three heads, and ponders its meaning repeatedly. My theory is that Jon and Dany are each one head... and who is the third?

I believe Jon will remain in the North as Lord Commander of the Watch, and Daenerys will rule from the South. Perhaps Bran will become the King in the North, and be the third head of the Dragon. After all, each position really must be filled, for the Watch, the crown of the realm, and the King in the North. Before the Targaryens came with their dragons and conquered the Seven Kingdoms, the Starks had ruled the North for thousands of years. Perhaps, in the end, both Starks and Targaryens will rule together, and Jon Snow, Lord Commander, who is of both lines, will be the tie that binds them.

Just my .02......

 

[Brian G Turner]

A good 2c, and welcome to the chronicles network, AryaUnderfoot.