Why say Tyrion's a Targ?

"Tyrion's becoming a kinslayer would only be helping him to catch up with Jaime... who slew his own father, Aerys."
GOOD ONE BOAZ!
Aerys wanted Jaime on his Kingsguard.. to keep him close... hmm
And there was this Harrenhal incident - where Aerys is sending Jaime back to Kings Landing.. I didn't quite undersood what happened. Maybe it's somehow related to our crazy theory :D
Harrenhall tournament was the greatest tournament ever. Winner of the tournament will be remembered for eternity, (as Rhaegar is) and Aerys did not want for that to happen. Citation "You will not gain glory here. I am the king!"
 
Boaz, of course that's what Cersei was thinking. It would never have happened, but she would have refused to believe that. She had a bit f a twisted "love" for Jaime. SHe only felt "complete" with him because she believes him to be her with a third leg.
 
Oh, yes Boa, I actually am ViZion.

ViZion is my brighter side under whose screen name I post my brighter comments.
 
Actually, if ViZion is the business man I at Powells who recommended the series to me while on his lunch break, then "thank you!"
 
Those ideas (not even theories) about Cersei and Jaime being Targs - it was a joke, what I didn't understand, right? I personally strongly believe that Jaime's dream (that one, what he had after he left Harrenhal and before he went back for Brienne) shows clearly that he is Lannister, (meeting his ancestors and all). Tyrion=Targ in the other hand - it was good, it was brilliant! Boaz found so many waterproof evidences, so it became one of my favorite theories.
So, to me TOP 3 theories are:
1. R+L=J (author unknown?)
2. Tyrion=Targ (author not Boaz?)
3. Tysha is a Whore in Braavos (author must be Tysha, so I salute you, Tysha!)
 
I just had a thought regarding Azor Ahai. Supposedly he was the legendary warrior to defeat the Others last time around, right? Well do you think his name is just a name or do you think it might have a significant meaning if translated into Westerosi? I dunno.

But his first and last names both begin with the letter A. If he is to reappear, will he have a name that translates as Azor Ahai? Will this new Azor Ahai's name have the same letters beginning his/her first and last names?

If so, then Jon Snow/Stark and Stannis Baratheon are out. I'm not an expert on vocal sounds, but the letter T is only a soft D... this might put Daenerys Targaryen into the running for Azor Ahai... we'd just need to see that the original name was Taenerys (much like Taena) but that it was hardened to fit in with Westerosi pronounciation.

Brandon Stark, Samwell Tarly and Aegon Targaryen do not work either.

Tyrion Lannister does not work. But if Tyrion was a Targaryen, then I confess that Tyrion Targaryen does work. Mayhaps TT=AA reborn.
 
So, Azor Ahai reborn must have an alliteration in his/her name? NUTS! go fish out anoter one. (However, playing by your suggestion, "Daenerys Targaryen" is almost an alliteration, if youconsider that a "d" is just a voiced "t")

I do wish GRRM had included more High Valyrian and other language vocabularies in the series. Interesting was the translation into Bulgarian (???) for the character Orell, aka "Orell the Eagle," which sunds like the Bulgarian word for "eagle," orel. I read that today, but GRRM said it was a coincidence. I wish it had been purposeful. That would make the characters' names more fun. I suppose we've got sigils for that sot of thing though.

Tyrion is great for his name (and his own brand of "charm"), reminding us of a little tyrant. Like Auntie Frey suggests, he's the next Lord Tywin. Also, the Starks were traditionlly very stark. Other than that, I'm not sure important the meanings & connotations of names are in this series, except maybe with reference to other characters (eg. Bran aspring to be the other Brans in his Stark heritage).

I do not believe Tyrion is a Targ, but that's an interesting theory about him being AAreborn. He likes the wall; he's a bitter little man, having beenscrewed over so many times; we now see him eager to outright use people against their desire (his chapter from aDwD) to feel powerful....

No, not enough solid food there. I think that's a dead train of thoght, too.
 
I think one of the ways GRRM tries to separate himself from the Lord of the Rings is by not including a ton of foreign language in the series. I think he wanted the focus to remain firmly on the storytelling and not risk the chance of the series becoming a study of some other language. Let's face it, there are some people around whose favorite part of Lord of the Rings is learning how to speak Elvish. Maybe GRRM didn't want that. Or maybe he just wanted to keep us in the dark and guessing about the meaning of certain words ;).
 
Well, there are lots of hints about Tyrion being a Targaryen *******.
So, Aerys raped (or maybe it was not a rape) Joanna. A man like Tywin would never suffer such an insult as a living ******* Targaryen child that soiled his marriage and killed his wife. So why Tyrion is alive? Tywin hated him, abused him, humiliated him and disinherit him. So do we have another dying wish, that goes like this: "Promise me.. Promise me ... Tywin..." :D
Just a thought.
 
hehe i like the theory that Jaime abd Cersei are actually the Bastards :)

For this to be possible it would have to mean that Tywin was not aware of this fact due to him not letting them be around if they werent his.
So some late night, Tywin is out doing his business running the realm as Das Hand :p Aerys in some ways jealous and the fact he is a nutter takes Joanna into his bed, she becomes pregnant. To avoid Tywin going on a rampage she tells it they are his, he loves his mighty Son and his Prizecow to trade <also known as Jaime and Cersei>. Tywin only finds out the truth about these two when Joanna dies giving birth to the son of his own loins Tyrion.
So now Tywin is in a pickle, he can disown the two children he has someone grown "fond" off and let the dwarf take over, so now he in trouble. Jaime cant inherit due to him being in the KIngsguard and he wont give any legitimate heirs. Cersei cant inherite as she is a women and to be married off.
hmmmmm i written myself into a corner.
So his best choice on this day is to make sure Kevan Lannister takes over :confused:
Bah written sop much i refuse to remove it :D
The mad rantings of a Dane
 
The mad rantings of a Dane
Now, that's a great signature or flourish to your posts! To post or not to post, that is the question.

I think the idea of Cersei and Jaime being bastards is fun, but not realistic. Oh, I'd love to read this plot twist in the upcoming books, but I don't think it's gonna happen. If it was true, I think Maggy's remarks to Cersei would have been the perfect point for Martin to introduce this. Also, if C&J are the bastards and not Tyrion, then the chances for Tyrion to become a head of the dragon are slim to none... and I think Martin has been pointing that way for a long time.
 
So wait a second. I'm having trouble keeping up. How many characters so far are Targ bastards/ baby Aegon:

Tyrion
Cersei
Jaime
Jon
Edric Storm
Gerold Dayne
Varys (WTF!!!)
Quentyn Martell


Any more I should know about?
 
Actually we don't know of any Targ bastards. Dany is the only known living Targ after Aemon's demise. But since the dragon must have three heads, we surmise that there are more Targs, half-Targs, false Targs, and ******* Targs out there.

There is conjecture on Aegon's existence. The best hypothesis is that he is actually Young Griff. On the other hand, Young Griff may turn out to actually be a mummer pretending to be a Targ. Other possibilities for current aliases for Aegon include Quentyn, Sarella, Alleras, Jon, Aurane Waters, and Gerold Dayne... and these have either been disproven or are flimsy at best.

I think most people agree that Jon is an extremely likely candidate to be Rhaegar's son, either legally or naturally.

Other than Aegon and Jon, there are no strong candidates... there is only guesswork, supposition, and hope. Writing any more on this subject for you is like the blind leading the blind.

I personally champion Tyrion as a Targaryen *******. I think he's a fun guess. I feel there are a few passages that could be interpreted to say Tyrion is a Targ ******* if you wanted to interpret them that way. I think GRRM will throw us a major plot twist in his story. I very much want to believe that he might inherit the throne.

Varys is fun to speculate about, but other than his name there is nothing.

As for Cersei, Jaime, and the others, there is less proof than for Varys.
 
I think Daenerys is the last Targaryen, the dragons woke for her and her alone. Simply because there must be three heads does not mean there are three Targaryens by birth. Aegon's sisters were his wives as well, any husbands Dany take will be called Targaryens also.
 
I seem to remember a lot of references about Tyrion being Tywin's only child and Cersei and Jaime not being. I was reading through this thread and about to say this, but I see others have beaten me to it :) Doesn't Cersei have silvery blonde hair? If Aerys was their father it would certainly add a bit of a twist.
 
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The reference you're thinking of is Jaime speaking with his aunt (whose name escapes me) at the Siege of Riverrun. She says "Tyrion is Twyins son, not you". Taken literally it could mean exactly what it looks like, but in context its a reference to Jaime being more like his mother than Tywin, and Tyrion being brooding, intelligent, and vengeful like their mutual father.
 
Tywin's sister, Jaime's aunt, Emmon's wife... Genna.

It is difficult at this stage to accurately seperate the red herrings and wishful thinkings from actual clues.
 
Why has this theory not died a horrible, ugly, twisted, noseless death? Why?

So many perfectly good and supported theories have been left on the forgotten roadside of the superhighway that is public acceptance, while this idea continues to find purchase in the sheltered harbor of scurrilous speculation....

Every time this idea is brought up, a noseless dwarf dies.
 
Confession time:the constant proposition of secret Targs had burned me out of posting here for a while. Not because I thought it was stupid, but it was a constant reminder that we all need a new book to talk about. My Targ List:
1)Jon Snow. Thouroughly convinced he's Rhaegar's son.
2)Tyrion. Not convinced, am intrigued. Good chance he's not Tywin's. Parentage might be cause of Ser Ilyn's tonguelessness.
3)Aegon. Not alive. Someone will pretend to be him. Mummer's dragon of prophecy.
4)Littlefinger. Secret Targ loyalist. Seeming ambitiousness not for self, but for Dany. Is working on using Highgarden (once staunch Targ loyalists) to aid him. Have an intricate theory to support this claim. Theory is very long, and if one part is wrong it all falls apart. Involves Faceless Men, Aegon the Conqurer and/or his immediate ancestors, and the first "gift". Also the Citadel, Varys, and Illyrio. And Bloodraven. Will keep it to myself and if I am right will be keep satisfaction silent.
5) Too tired for complete sentences. Goodnight!
 
I just had a thought regarding Azor Ahai. Supposedly he was the legendary warrior to defeat the Others last time around, right? Well do you think his name is just a name or do you think it might have a significant meaning if translated into Westerosi? I dunno.

But his first and last names both begin with the letter A. If he is to reappear, will he have a name that translates as Azor Ahai? Will this new Azor Ahai's name have the same letters beginning his/her first and last names?

If so, then Jon Snow/Stark and Stannis Baratheon are out. I'm not an expert on vocal sounds, but the letter T is only a soft D... this might put Daenerys Targaryen into the running for Azor Ahai... we'd just need to see that the original name was Taenerys (much like Taena) but that it was hardened to fit in with Westerosi pronounciation.

Brandon Stark, Samwell Tarly and Aegon Targaryen do not work either.

Tyrion Lannister does not work. But if Tyrion was a Targaryen, then I confess that Tyrion Targaryen does work. Mayhaps TT=AA reborn.


I'm still new here (first post) but I'd like to say that the names
John Snow and Azor Ahai
are both eight letters long (4+4=4+4) and we all know Rheagar beleived his son was the Targ of prophecy.

As an added bonus John has the sword and the skills to defeat others.
 

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