Collaborative Writing Project Re-start

I meant more along the line of

JFK isn't assasinated, so either the Russian's keep trying and succeed or get caught and it intensifies the cold war, Or the CIA keep trying and suceed or get caught and it changes the face of American politics forever.
If we try to imagine that American foreign policy has been changed since the 60's, then what differences do we get, has America already fallen to the wayside as a world power, has the middle east increased it's standard fo living, and the lives of the people there, If Islam has no war against oppressors to fight, then do they fight each other still?
The more detailed I get in the history the closer I need to look at more specific points in history. Ah, it's like a vicious circle!

Hey, don't run yourself in circles Moonbat, the one thing we've got plenty of here (at least from my perspective) is time. Time is really just an illusion anyway, a human mechanism invented to measure change. (It's always now). Sorry, didn't mean to get so Zen on ya there, or did I? :p

Anyway, I really liked the Alternate JFK doesn't get bumped off sheave notion. I'd love to see what you come up with.

I've finally had a bit of an inspiration myself, but it's a bit negative. If the group doesn't like it, I will drop it like a hot uranium nuclear rod, but here's what I was thinking:

It's a little ways into our future. (I'm guessing the universe we know is our baseline, point of reference, etc.) What happened is, people didn't heed the warnings of the scientists and now the entire ecology of the planet is in a state of decay. (This has probably been done - post apocalyptic blah, blah, blah) but I'm just talking about one sheave. We pop in, look around and, New York, LA, part of London, all of SouthHampton, Sydney, all of Singapore, Hong Hong, anything costal and most Islands (i.e. Hawaii, Fugi) are now underwater. The ecology has broken down so much that there a very few species of animals left alive, and not any that you would want to eat because of the high amount of toxins in their bloodstreams. They've somehow adapted (Darwinistically) to survive, but eat garbage left by man. Man is now living under ground, or under water (with air generators) because the air outside is polluted, an most of the ozone layer is gone. Too morbid? (It's only a quick pop in look around, and ... Whew! Forget this sheave kind of thing). Thoughts please.

- Z.
 
it's a good idea, Z. looking down on mankind's folly! there's probably some kinda extrapolation on t'net as to how much of the earth's surface would be covered should water levels rise by just 2 inches. you wouldn't neccessarily need to pop into the future, as who's to say some other earth hasn't already FUBARed the world's resources beyond redemption?

once they know you come from a sheave where that hasn't happened yet, what would they do? warn us? plead for help? be envious?

food for thought...
 
it's a good idea, Z. looking down on mankind's folly!
Thanks. I want to stress that it would be a chapter length or less.

you wouldn't necessarily need to pop into the
future, as who's to say some other earth hasn't already FUBARed the world's resources beyond redemption?

I was assuming from the get-go that it already is the future here in the baseline (our earth). How else would we have come up with this mechanism? That's why I'm asking about our world being the baseline as well. We could make it so that this Sheave transfer-mobile happened in another sheave parallel to ours, and they were more advanced, but it seems to me like that would be harder to write, or at least it might be a little easier on the reader if we start a little ways into our future. I'm open either way. It isn't that we can't make assumptions, it's just that we have to agree on them.

once they know you come from a sheave where that hasn't happened yet, what would they do? warn us? plead for help? be envious?

food for thought...

Good questions. :)
 
It wouldn't have to be in our future. Half a dozen insights happening earlier, and the industrial revolution is fifty years in advance. Avoid a war here, start another there and the factories are producing arms and uniforms a century earlier, and a little pollution is a small price to pay for national survival.

Even miss out on the great depression, and keep the expansion of the twenties going, several small wars (to fuel research, and remove any qualms about how important the damage done to the planet is relative to patriotism) rather than WWII, no sixties hippie movement, and by the year 2000 you could have your runaway greenhouse effect, and a world population having passed its fourteen billion peak in sharp decline, life expectancy below thirty except for the mega-rich.

That only puts them about four transits out, with most political systems still recognisable, and the previous sheaf might be an Idyllic, Arcadian Utopia.

The irony is that the post-collapse hell-hole might have more useful information to trade than the garden of Eden sheaf.

I've even come up with a scheme for transporting a couple of hundred thousand from the collapsed ecology to the "underdeveloped" sheaf, but the financiers back home (OTL) are never going to buy it – and perhaps so much the better, since it is bound to be the super rich who profit, and are offered new opportunities to progress.
 
It wouldn't have to be in our future. Half a dozen insights happening earlier, and the industrial revolution is fifty years in advance. Avoid a war here, start another there and the factories are producing arms and uniforms a century earlier, and a little pollution is a small price to pay for national survival.

I must be really bad at communicating on these forums. It seems I am being misunderstood left and right. Don't get the tone wrong. I'm not upset. I am blaming this on myself, and so trying to improve my "communication to other writers" skills.

Baseline: Our earth as we know it now, with the same exact history we have, extended about 100 years into our future (many advances in science, we've got pollution, ozone, greenhouse effect and everything under control - Then we invent this thing that Chris invented.)

Now, On this thread/sheave (our real future, safe and sound),
a researcher/mathematician team comes up with a way of transferring a region of space between two of these threads. This involves enormous quantities of energy, increasing with the distance of the target thread from the source. ~ It is soon discovered that the optimum transfer technique was to float the apparatus, originally in a ship in water, but later in an airship in the atmosphere, so the displaced mass was equal in volume; earlier experiments had the explorers (fortunately mechanical) crashing into huge holes they had carved, finding as much matter as they massed. Unlike its ancestral zeppelins there is no ballroom, no swimming pool. Bunks are mere slots between gasbags, although high-tech slots, with data feeds, screens and active soundproofing, so you are not disturbed by your neighbour's snoring, or enjoying one of the millions of films in storage.

All of this happens in our real future, about 100 years from now.

Then we go exploring other Sheaves/Threads, and find Arcadian Utopias, alternate histories where JFK was not shot in Dallas, and Hell holes like the one I described.

If you guys don't like it, and you would rather start in the here and now present day, this invention of Chris's would have to happen in a parallel sheave.

Can everyone follow me yet? ( sorry for any confusion and/or repetition). :)

- Z


The irony is that the post-collapse hell-hole might have more useful information to trade than the garden of Eden sheaf.

I like this notion. A lot.

- Z.
 
Zubi, the break through made by two mathematicians Harn-something-or-other and Chron-y-ma-jig did happen in an alternate sheaf and they visited us, we traded information with them that led to our own development of the sheaf technolgy and the Heinlein (am I spelling that right, and what is it exactly?)

but I also think that we should set this a (at least) few decades into the future without too much supposition on what happnes here. I'm not sure why but I think it shouldn't be too present day, plus it gives us scope for Sci-fi on OTL. On the other hand we could just say that these are the stories of an alternate sheaf, not our world, but a world much like ours (with our own personal but not too dramatic differences) that way we don't have to worry if about it being in our future as it can be the present.

You're story is fine being present day, as in the sheaf you visit could easily be present day (except for the evolution bit) if there were a few things that happened earlier as Chrispy mentioned. your story sounds good, not too morbid, and I think that the want for advednture is going to lead us that way.

I myself have a few questions to ask (you all) or more a bit of help. I am writing my sheaf tale and my villian has a team of people/scientists that monitor world activity, they spot the Heinlein arrive and then try to investigate. So technical question, what do they see? what readings should they find that lead them to the right/wrong conclusions?

Also I mentioned this before, what happens on the Heinlein when they arrive, we don't need to go into too much detail now, but I want to write those first few minutes after they arrive. Are they all in Sheaf shock (what did someone call it in thier writings?) for a while. Then they send out sensor sweeps, and start recharging, and move to safe spots, and begin their (at least) 8 hour search for information.

Enjoying all this conversation, I've got as long weekend with nothing planned (my kayaking buddy fell off a ladder and hurt his shoulder) so I'm hopefully gonna get some real writing done.

My Enemy's Enemy is my friend. But my I keep my enemies closer than my friends. So I never get to see the enemy of my enemy as they are enemies. I have no friends!

some sort of attempt at a sign off :)
 
Okay, I'm cool with that. I will set aside a few hours to contribute some writing this weekend. C-ya sune.

- Z.
 
Zubi, the break through made by two mathematicians Harn-something-or-other and Chron-y-ma-jig did happen in an alternate sheaf and they visited us, we traded information with them that led to our own development of the sheaf technolgy and the Heinlein (am I spelling that right, and what is it exactly?)
i like "Sheaf", but then i would cos i live on the banks of the River Sheaf....sheave (plural sheaves) does look better. if you mean the Heinlein - this chap here wrote a book called The Number of the Beast. Wiki tells us:
Explanation of the novel's title
In the novel, the Biblical number of the beast turns out to be, not 666, but (6 to the power of 6) to the power of 6, or 10,314,424,798,490,535,546,171,949,056, which is the number of parallel universes accessible through the continua device to the protagonists.
that was my inspiration, but it could as easily have been named for Hugh Everett , who was instrumental in the development of the "Many Worlds" interpretation of quantum physics.
I myself have a few questions to ask (you all) or more a bit of help. I am writing my sheaf tale and my villian has a team of people/scientists that monitor world activity, they spot the Heinlein arrive and then try to investigate. So technical question, what do they see? what readings should they find that lead them to the right/wrong conclusions?

Also I mentioned this before, what happens on the Heinlein when they arrive, we don't need to go into too much detail now, but I want to write those first few minutes after they arrive. Are they all in Sheaf shock (what did someone call it in thier writings?) for a while. Then they send out sensor sweeps, and start recharging, and move to safe spots, and begin their (at least) 8 hour search for information.
erm...i've cheated: i bypassed the arrival completely - mainly because, just like you, i've not come up with any of that yet! as far a the ship being visible - a mile-long object appearing anywhere on a world with radar will cause mass panic, i guess. perhaps my lot should have come out over the sea rather than over a city......

yrs arghh

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Crew List

Hello Everyone :)

I am having so much fun with this. I started writing/planning a big adventure tale, but got sidetracked onto a shorter tech story and then sidetracked again onto another tech idea. That's not even including the foray into Captain's and Historian's logs.

I have created a Ship's Crew Document to help me, mainly becuase my First Captain's log is on board before set off when he meets his crew and I didn't have positions for half of them let alone names and stories. So i have 24 positions, these are not set in stone, we can decide which are required and which are yet to be filled. Of the 24 I have 18 names and of those 18 I have 8 (i think) descriptions. Also it was mentioned that this was the Eruopean ship and had a policy of equal representation for European countries. I have about 14 countries accounted for and a list of 30, the list is subject to change, as we might want to include some I have missed and miss others I have included. Please see below

Crew of 24/30

Captain
1st Mate
4 Engineers Chief/Electronics/Software/Mechanical
2 Negotiators
5 security
2 historians
2 mathematicians
Pilot (small craft)
Communications,
Linguistics,
Navigator,
Medical Dr,
Businessman
Chef

Names 18/30

Captain Captain Slak Jowelssen
1st Mate Commander Tania Hakkonen
Chief Engineer Dr Halbert Langenbright

Electronics eng Cletford Ascondre
Software eng Albus Stegg
Negotiators Le Roux +1
Security Danny Mayfield, +4 (Luso De Silva, Johan)

Historians Prof Erik Cerner & Dr Rhosyn Murphy
Maths Dr Katerina ‘Kate’ Skovajsa & Dr Penelope Xandranic

Pilot Ivan Dimitrov
Businessman Adriano Bonati
Chef Soo
Linguistics Bob D’Farkle
Navigator Eva Novak

  • Austria
  • Belgium
  • Bulgaria
  • Cyprus
  • Czech
  • Denmark
  • England
  • Finland
  • France
  • Germany
  • Greece
  • Holland
  • Hungary
  • Iceland
  • Ireland
  • Italy
  • Liechtenstein
  • Luxembourg
  • Malta
  • Norway
  • Poland
  • Portugal
  • Romania
  • Russia
  • Scotland
  • Spain
  • Sweden
  • Switzerland
  • Turkey
  • Wales

Slak Jowelssen
Ship’s Captain
Danish
26yrld old
2.03m tall
long blonde hair and a beard,
chess, maths, cosmology, poetry, music, scandanavian history,
hand to hand combat, ancient weapons, axe throwing
Favortie saying 'Lo, let's us find Valhalla'


"Danny/Dan" Mayfield,
security chief.
English South Yorkshire

38yrs old
1.76m tall
Black hair and Stubble
13yrs in British Army, runs private security firm

Erik Cerner,
Historian
Swiss Lausanne,
51yrs old.
2.07m tall
counterfactual and mediaeval history, physics, storytelling


Halbert Langenbright
Chief Engineer
Luxemberger, Differdange
35yrs old
transdimensional physics, electronics and gadgetry


Katerina ‘Kate’ Skovajsa "
Mathematician

Czechoslovakian, Prague
24yrs old
Height ?
Dark haired, dark eyed,
Mathematics, Exercise,


Penelope Xandranic
Mathematician
Russian?
21yrs old
Maths, Statistical probabilities, engineering

? Le Roux
Negotiator
France

Ivan Dimitrov
Pilot
Bulgarian
35
1.77m 60kgs
Dark hair
Flying, Maths, Navigation, Computer Gaming, Golf

Adriano Bonati
Business Advisor
Italian
43
1.54m
Black Hair
Entrepeneur, Golf

Eva Novak
Naviagtion
Romanian
26
1.56m
Black hair

Albus Stegg
Software Engineer
Austrian

Cletford Ascondre
Hardware Engineer
Portuguese

Bob D’Farkle
Linguist
Belgian

Johan ?
Securty
Holland

So you see there are still quite a few gaps to fill, I'm not set on all the names some of them are just to complete a sentence in my 1st sidetrack, please throw some my way, I may have missed some names and jobs that we have already said so please add them and I will ammend the crew list.

Moonbat
 
Do you need your Belgian linguist? It's just that I've got a linguist in a couple of my preparations, and while her nationality is not critical, it's rather important that she be female. I can always put her in the second team (they are not 'boldly going' for years, like the Visitors, but three months on, then four months to spend their salaries while the second teams goes into the unknown) But that dilutes the stories; after all, they're second.

Sonja Hroldek

A linguist, or to be more precise, a predictive philologist.

One metre sixty nothing, hyperactive, she's considered over-sentimental.

In my earliest discovery of her, she got emotionally involved with a boy nine years her junior – whether they got physically intimate or not remains to be written; for the time being either one, the other or both have been in bio-isolation suits, not conducive to physical interest. In the 'ecocollapse' scenario I've got her inventing a way to evacuate from the doomed sheaf, despite not being a technical mind at all, in sheer desperation at the impossibility of doing anything to improve the situation (the rescue will not be attempted, as I suspect she always knew it would never be, where could you put all those refugees? one of the empty sheaves? but it's a viable solution, nonetheless)

Twenty four years old, her passport and professorship say she is Danish, though her name and genes suggest otherwise. As well as her two doctorates, she has a five-language certificate from the Geneva interpreters school (she is capable of simultaneous translation into one language from up to four different ones) and not only speaks every language you've ever heard of and several you probably haven't, she can make instant relationship judgements between them.

Her hair is very dark, and unusually, she wears it long; loose, it reaches her waist, Her personalised biosuit has a lump on the back of the head for the coiled braids.

Her eyes are a startlingly light hazel, and her face shows everything that is going on behind it; she doesn't even attempt to play poker. This means that when she is translating for diplomatic reasons she's often kept in the dark as to what the situation actually is, or asked to work through ear buds.

Slim and supple, her relationships have been short, but intense. Too empathic for her own good, she is invariably hurt by the breakups, even when it's her that has chosen to leave.

A champion of lost causes, she tends to be attracted to weak and indecisive characters, which means she's unlikely to pair off with any of the other crew members.
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Drone

"Another dead one. There seem to be an awful lot of dead worlds relative to the descriptions of the first days of transfer. Perhaps they edited out the boring bits."

"Remember that, in the beginning, they were making much shorter transits, so the sheaves they reached were very much more similar to those they left. Also, in this region societies might have been particularly belligerent when they achieved the technical ability to wipe themselves out. A more laid back society might have tended to develop fewer pruned branches. Anyway, that's not dead. Look at those trees, and there will be animals hidden under that canopy, believe me. Hell, there could be a million humans down there, hunting and gathering."

"No fires. Besides, even if there were, it's still dead in the most important way, in that it won't bring in a bonus.

Even if there's a knowledge centre down there, with polite robots whose prime imperative is to tell us the story of the decline of their civilisation, and the secrets of the universe they had gathered, as there would be in any reasonable story, we're not going to find it. This is going to be another of those 'a total day wasted without anything to show for it' forays, and meanwhile the Yanks and Russkies and probably even the Aussies are probably forging ahead of us,"

"Not the Aussies, no; they've gone for the tortoise 'slow and steady wins the race' technique. But everybody else, it's just a question of luck who gets the most post-apocalyptical worlds.

And for all we know the Russians and Americans are already here, each in their own geographical corner, but since none of us are transmitting we can't tell."

His companion was not listening; his eyes were glazed over, and it's unlikely that the Heinlein falling out of the sky would have broken his concentration.

The two talking are from the second team. The Heinlein is on a 'three months on, four months off' rota, with two independent crews, and the spare month is used for maintenance, repairs and improvements. For the time being a crew 'touches base' – returns to its home location to deliver its acquired information and take on supplies of perishables – several times in a shift. When flights get longer, this will no doubt change, but by then national ships will be taking over from the confederated ones, so contracts will be different.

Being on the second team was a bit like winning Olympic silver; no matter how much they told you you would be doing as much new work as the first crew, that it was a question of social dynamics, all the pep-theories team leaders and politicians could come up with, you knew that someone else had been judged better than you in your speciality. You were on the 'we try harder' line-up.

Not that you had much chance to brood about it; Piotre's speciality was the big atmosphere propulsion engines, which weren't functioning now, as the ship had nowhere worth going, but he was helping Carlos get the maximum out of the reactor, to chip a few minutes off charging time. Another time he might have been helping out in medical, or even compiling lists in linguistics.

Thirty people might sound like a lot in an almost entirely automated craft, but the number of tasks which can't be prepared for, that demand human intervention, is enormous.

"Stop! Silence, let me think for an instant, I might have secured my retirement pension.

You, sir, are looking at a genius."

Carlos swivelled his head round, as if looking for someone else in the room, but kept quiet, waiting to see what his now hyper companion would come up with.

"Pass me the screen – yes, how come the Visitors never thought of this? It's so obvious. We'll have something to sell them when they come back through."

A picture of the ship was taking shape, but with some additions – were those enormous windows round the middle, or lenses? Some of the internal systems were becoming clear.

"Two sets of storage coils? So we can hop in and, if we don't like the look of the place, hop straight back out? Good against real danger ,I suppose, but very expensive, and surely it'll take me sixteen hours rather than eight to charge them, so we're not actually gaining anything."

"You haven't seen the scale, yet." said Piotre, adding a human figure to the illustration. "Ten minutes, maximum, for the two coils, or we could carry them already charged, although that would take up rather a lot of cubic. No, the best is to push it out of the hatch, inflate it and charge both sets of coils, get a certain distance away from it – we don't know what the wind will be like the other end, after all – and 'pop'. In the other sheaf, cameras start shooting, radio receivers start recording, atmosphere bottle is filled, Geiger counter counts, whatever else the eggheads can squeeze into a hundred grams records its data, and then, ten seconds later "unpop" and the timer reverses the transit.

Either we download the data or wait till we catch up with the thing – we don't want to lose it, do we? – recharge it and send it somewhere else if we don't like where it's been, or deflate it and follow where it's been if we think it was interesting.

It shouldn't cost more than a million Euros apiece, and we'll be able to sell them to everyone, even the Australians"

"And there goes the advantage you were looking for. Hm; transit system that size, probably a quarter of a million if we can go into mass production. No generators, minimum navigation. How many of these would you expect us to carry?"

"Three or four. There are going to be losses, and you don't want to have to go home for a new one every time in the middle of a mission."

"You know what, you just might have something. You've recorded it into the computer in your name? Who were you thinking of taking on as business side"

And that was how the first pair of crewmen voluntarily left the 'Heinlein'.

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Yes, of course I 'adopted' ideas from the Number of the Beast, but the 'Heinlein''s no Gay Deceiver; no "Gay, Bug out" and immediate safety, no sneaking, government contract. And I borrowed from other sources, too. Doesn't everyone?
 
Nope, the linguist can be female, Sonja Hroldek she doesn't sound Belgian, where is she from? Or haven't you decided.
 
ah, I see you said she is Danish, though only by birth!
We have a Dane, I suppose Slak could come from another Scandinavian country.
 
Chris, you have thrown up a few interesting developments.

Is Sonja native to OTL? Is the Bio-isolation in our future, yet pre take off?

The three month rotation of the crew is an interesting development, almost a sheave in our writing time line, now there are two crews.

so the initial departure, fully crewed, ready to hop out and back within three month RTD (relative time and date) then followed by a three month expedition in the Heinlein by the second crew.

I like boundaries. Now we only have a maximum of 250 jumps if they only ever stayed as long as their 8 hour re-charging cycle. If they have to jump back to OTL then would they travel back through the one's they have seen, or would it be an entirely different route back.

Remind me again how easy it is to travel back to OTL once you have hopped away from it. And how does this is effect it on a rising scale?

Can we find a better word than jump, I'm using too much, what is the verb to sheave? In fact sheave looks more like a verb to me than sheaf. I like an individual sheaf and many sheaves, but what is the verb to sheave or is sheave nothing to do with the actual movement from one to another?

Okay, back to writing :)
 
I had intended to build you a quick universe, then go away and let you play with it. Trouble was, the easiest way of explaining some of the details was story form, which means I keep interfering, and that I've got a mass of developing stories; and they all produce certainties. Worse, I'm elbowing in on Zubi's ecocatastrophe scenario.

It is really irrelevant where Sonja comes from, though it's definitely OTL., and has a decent university. She spent most of her growing up time travelling, ever since her language gift manifested itself (possibly even before. I think her mother was a career diplomat)

To get back where you started you retrace your steps. Always. The constant emergence of new sheaves means that the geometry is changing all the time, so the only thing that is constant is your footsteps, the Hansel and Gretel breadcrumbs you leave on the cosmos. This means someone else can follow you, too, but it mainly means that if you end up in a really nasty sheaf, the best way out is back where you came from, since if you go on, youu'll have to come through the same sheaf on the way back (although you can be anywhere on the planet when you do so, so if the nasty is geographically limited you can use that as an out. Particularly if you can't take the entire eight hours to recharge fully and need to take a short transfer out of immediate danger.

The tree month thing isn't the fault of the crew, who'd mostly love to go out further, or union regulations, but health and safety bureaucrats from Brussels; I'm sure none of the other ships suffer from it. (just as I'm sure none of them have the quota system), and I'm sure it won't last past the launch of the first vessel from one of the member states.

There was a vast campaign against the possibility of inter-sheaf infection (reasonable, considering the identical biology in the two ends of the transition) so the members of the crew aren't supposed to breath local air, eat local food, drink local water or touch locals. This is intended as protection in the two directions. The Visitors maintained the same bioisolation; in all probability, at some point there has been a plague at some point in the exploration process, as the original experimenters didn't do anything similar. When the ship is sealed, no problem; but when someone goes out, or someone from outside is invited in, suits, fumigation and irradiation guarantee that only a very tough indeed organism can hope to cross the barriers.

The Australo/Nippon craft seem to be trusting to traditional quarantine restrictions rather than total isolation from the environment, and are getting a nice set of suntans.

Again, whether this will be relaxed as better testing systems are developed remains to be seen.

And now I have an idea for a story about the cook.

Oh, and there are several more counties in the Enlarged European Union - Estonia, Croatia, Georgia, Ukraine, Albania and Slovenia. Nevarania, capital St. Petersburg, has seceded From the Russian Federation, and although it isn't a member of the EEU, is involved with this craft (rather than the Russian one) and the situation is similar for Turkey, Morocco, and Tunisia. All of these countries have representatives in the "reserves village" a decent sized town of replacements, specialities and wannabes, but none yet on either the first or second crews.
 
Ah yes there were more than thirty in the 'old' list I had, so ok more eastern european nations, Sonia could be from one of those, Georgia or Estonia sound plausible, have they got good universities?

But some real business has arisen.

To get back where you started you retrace your steps. Always. The constant emergence of new sheaves means that the geometry is changing all the time, so the only thing that is constant is your footsteps, the Hansel and Gretel breadcrumbs you leave on the cosmos.

So what form do these breadcrumbs come in?
Even though they are moving forward through time, and time is creating more sheaves from the world (not our OTL but say jump 2 or 3) which of the future sheaves that belongs to the previously travelled in sheaf do they travel to, which one keeps the breadcrumb, do they all have breadcrumbs?

Phew! I think I made that sound harder to understand than it is.

We never fully pinned you down on the nature of travelling and navigating back through these sheaves. I need to know more about the mechanism (that doesn't exist) We use the power in the ships storage loops to? Shear open spacetime? and travel between universes? To move through a (yet undiscovered fully) dimension and move between the worlds split by quantum decisions? What sort of technical information about the sheaves are we talking, purely atmospheric? or more sub-space structurally? Can you give me anything to increase my pseudo-scientific babble

I would be interested to see what the others say, we have probably all written a few sentences that hint at or attempt to describe something on ship, or about the travelling. If we can pool these together we might be able to create the illusion of a well planned out scientific theory and engineering principles.
Then again we might expose ourselves for the fools that we are. :
 
argh! variables! variables!

i'm stalled at the moment, as i'm also editing part of an anthology for our writers' groop, but don't worry - i'm still following this....

shifts is good - means we have flexibility in the writing: if (for example) somebody cannotfit a desired character onto the Heinlein, we have a back-up.....which is called what? or do they take the Heinlein itself?

returning: my understanding on the theory is that the ship could possibly return to an OTL that has since diverged from their starting point. But they couldn't actually know that unless they skipped sideways to another version of that OTL??? so it wouldn't matter.....
There was a vast campaign against the possibility of inter-sheaf infection (reasonable, considering the identical biology in the two ends of the transition) so the members of the crew aren't supposed to breath local air, eat local food, drink local water or touch locals. This is intended as protection in the two directions. The Visitors maintained the same bioisolation; in all probability, at some point there has been a plague at some point in the exploration process, as the original experimenters didn't do anything similar. When the ship is sealed, no problem; but when someone goes out, or someone from outside is invited in, suits, fumigation and irradiation guarantee that only a very tough indeed organism can hope to cross the barriers.

rats. that kinda puts paid to most of my tale right now, since Mayfield has gone on a solo expedition.....
 
Ah yes there were more than thirty in the 'old' list I had, so ok more eastern european nations, Sonia could be from one of those, Georgia or Estonia sound plausible, have they got good universities?

But some real business has arisen.



So what form do these breadcrumbs come in?
Even though they are moving forward through time, and time is creating more sheaves from the world (not our OTL but say jump 2 or 3) which of the future sheaves that belongs to the previously travelled in sheaf do they travel to, which one keeps the breadcrumb, do they all have breadcrumbs?

Phew! I think I made that sound harder to understand than it is.

We never fully pinned you down on the nature of travelling and navigating back through these sheaves. I need to know more about the mechanism (that doesn't exist) We use the power in the ships storage loops to? Shear open spacetime? and travel between universes? To move through a (yet undiscovered fully) dimension and move between the worlds split by quantum decisions? What sort of technical information about the sheaves are we talking, purely atmospheric? or more sub-space structurally? Can you give me anything to increase my pseudo-scientific babble

I would be interested to see what the others say, we have probably all written a few sentences that hint at or attempt to describe something on ship, or about the travelling. If we can pool these together we might be able to create the illusion of a well planned out scientific theory and engineering principles.
Then again we might expose ourselves for the fools that we are. :

Unfortunately for the universe, I enjoy being a fool, even the one I am.

The weak Affinitive Forces, or WAFs maintain similar theads together in a sheaf (or a sheave, if that is the ultimate terminology) They align themselves with the major temporal axis of the sheaf they are defining, and hold the probabilites constant with all the threads within that sheaf, and drop off with the fourth power of the distance, thus demonstrating that they are propogated through five dimensions, three spacial and two supplementary probability or eigenvalue dimensions, but not through the temporal dimension.

Electromagnetism has no direct effect on them, but sufficiently high magnetic fields can effect the quarks which generate the weak nuclear forces, and these can locally realign whatever generates tha affinity forces. The new alignment will always be identical to a naturally occuring one, and matter in that sheaf will exchange with the controlled matter, maintaining all the conservation laws. (mass/energy, spin, charge and parity)

More electrical energy can move the alignment greater amounts, and so sheaves that have diverged earlier in history, and are thus more likely to have major differences in Science and technology become immediately accessible. Otherwise, you can get to them by multiple short transitions, which gives you more interesting pickings in fashion and pop music, and means you can hang around less time recharging. There is, however, a minimal amount of energy which has an effect; less than that and you end up in the same sheaf, having expended a large quantity of energy on making a bright flash.

The transition takes place a couple of millimetres outside the skin, which must have a positive curvature at all points. The bright flash of light (enough of which is UV that sterilising the outside of the ship is pretty irrelevant) is due to the recombination of air molecules that have suddenly found themselves dissociated, one atom here the other in some other sheaf. Most of the atoms find partners very rapidly, though not always compatible ones.

Realigning the WAFs leaves a sort of fissure, a path which is easier to follow, as long as energy levels are correct, and this continues despite the flux in ever generating new sheaves.

argh! variables! variables!

i'm stalled at the moment, as i'm also editing part of an anthology for our writers' groop, but don't worry - i'm still following this....

shifts is good - means we have flexibility in the writing: if (for example) somebody cannotfit a desired character onto the Heinlein, we have a back-up.....which is called what? or do they take the Heinlein itself?

returning: my understanding on the theory is that the ship could possibly return to an OTL that has since diverged from their starting point. But they couldn't actually know that unless they skipped sideways to another version of that OTL??? so it wouldn't matter.....

rats. that kinda puts paid to most of my tale right now, since Mayfield has gone on a solo expedition.....
and that's why I should have stopped immediately after creation, and rested. The biosuits and gastronomic regulations are Eurocrat generated, not necessities of nature. If the captain decides to ignore them he is absolute power under God - what are those at home going to do to him? I know that Somja, and the cook, to mention just two, would love to say "we'll take the risk, it's worth it for the benefits", and I can't see anyone in the crew snitching, if they can keep it out of the recordings.

It's stupid, it reduces their possibilities, it builds an unbreakable "them and us" wall; it's bureaucracy. If he can persuade the captain to cover for him, I'm cheering for him. At any rate, walking around in baggies, someone's going to get a tear, or get captured, or absolutely have to show trust by accepting an invitation to a formal dinner; do you have to leave them behind as "unclean"?

And yes, the Heinlein goes out with a second crew, no matter how much the main crew don't want their day off; they are essentially on duty twenty-four hours a day while on mission, so regulations say...

And if the ship returns to a thread that has split many ways, the same ship returns to each of them. In fact, since the ship itself is splitting all the time, all the ships go back to all the homes, and you can no more detect the fact than you can feel that identical twin splitting off you right now, and now.
 
And if the ship returns to a thread that has split many ways, the same ship returns to each of them. In fact, since the ship itself is splitting all the time, all the ships go back to all the homes, and you can no more detect the fact than you can feel that identical twin splitting off you right now, and now.

and that, lads & lasses, is real quantum. none of yer Bond-style Solace malarkey here.

i've got roughly 3k and a drastic revision (for names, EU health & safety regs etc) to go before i whip the covers off my first tale. still untitled though.
 
I was writing something that could end up with some of the crew being captured and then rescued, so they could be de-biosuited before being rescued and be ok. Maybe not reason enough to disobey all safety precutions, but enough to relax the rules slightly
 
Yes, needs some work; I wouldn't put it into Critiques in this condition. But it solidifies another crew member.

Whose is captain Jowelssen? you might want to rewrite the captain's monologue as he would have said it, rather than my over-stilted version; I can't hear him yet.


Galley

"Damn weight restrictions"

Arwen Cernan had a doctorate in sociology, a masters in political science and had written several influential papers on sociobiology. She had served in the army in Afghanistan, with a sharpshooters certificate. And yet again it was her 'cordon bleu' license that had got her her place on the Heinlein.

She wouldn't be seeing fifty again, but physically she'd been well classed relative to contenders thirty years her junior, and certainly, in hand to hand combat (no particular style, a bit of this, a bit of that, whatever worked) she had fallen in the top fifteen percent.

"and double damn quarantine regulations."

In that luddite thread where Sonja had picked up her toy-boy, Arwen had seen venison on the hoof that would have added greatly to their menu, and streams cascading over rocks that would have been infinitely better than the stuff condensed from their breathing or distilled out of their waste to rehydrate their freeze-dried pap. She'd have shot the deer herself, too – she loved the lightweight electric dart guns they'd been issued.

"Food could be brought aboard from anywhere. Cooking renders it safe, sterile; that's what cooking was invented for, before we found out how good we could make it taste. It's not as if I were proposing sushi, or steak tartar."

Her two aides - Penny and a 'security expert' today, but it could have been anyone not involved with cracking the local languages, KP not being considered a punishment - looked a subliminal wink at each other. They were proud of their 'kitchen dragon', and knew that everybody aboard sympathised with her position. If she had come in contact with the health and safety inspector who had drafted the regulations she would probably have been thrown off the crew (and the inspector would probably be getting out of hospital about now) but if any representative of that class were to appear now (not now now, you understand, but the next time the ship hit Bureauland) she's have the entire ship's company behind her, starting with the captain.

This was not harmed by the fact that when they got back after their first tour, and were waiting in Freiburg in Brisgau to be sent to their various homes (theory held that the location was chosen because it was the most inconvenient for the maximum number) she had growled "All of you, tomorrow night I will show you how cooking should be done." and had gone out and hired a restaurant, sending home the kitchen staff and keeping only a couple of servers. How she had managed this, and gathered the ingredients together, and done all the cooking for sixty-four three course meals is incomprehensible (most of the extras were project officials, plus a couple of members of the second team, but no Eurocrats). Everybody with a special dietary requirement had a special meal, nobody could remember when they had eaten that well; certainly the political banquets organised to celebrate their return didn't bear comparison. The restaurant owner offered her a post between flights at whatever salary she cared to specify, the servers begged leftovers to take home, and when she appeared with the cups of flaming coffee she was met with a standing ovation that threatened the structural integrity of the building.

The cooking gear was ultra lightweight. The screening on the microwave was barely more than foil over high temperature extruded foam, and the pans hardly heavier. Knives, grinders, grippers, everything had been pared down to the minimum. All Arwen's weight allowance was in flavourings; she hadn't even brought her personal knives, and that, for a chef, is desperate straits. Yet she knew the food was bland and textureless, while a few hundred metres down farmers had tons of interesting ingredients, and would have traded without hesitation. Even the sealed bags of dehydrated dung would have been useful to them as fertiliser. The meat in the featherweight freezers had no bone, no gristle, very little fat and no taste; the fish was reconstituted. About the only thing that survived the rationalisation was chocolate, and that is hardly a balanced diet. When Jod had commented on the poor quality of the eating experience under technology, she had hugged him; savage or not, he'd got his priorities right.

A screen next to her detected her presence and bipped politely.

"Arwen? The captain would like to see you at your convenience." The message was repeated in text, in case she'd gone deaf, but in script and pastel, not the flashing orange capitals that would have indicated urgency. For that matter he could have blasted it out of every speaker on the ship, or sent it to her implanted personal communicator.

Still, the captain was the captain, and 'at your convenience' was five minutes ago, so:
"Penny, make sure the stirrer keeps turning, would you? Captain's called me in, and I don't leave captains waiting. I've got the thermostats set, and it should go perfectly well without me, but if it clogs hit 'panic' and third shift lunch will be a bit late."

The captain's cabin was close to the galley, as it had been correctly assumed he'd eat there frequently. As Arwen deflated the entry curtain a screen flashed, then stabilised, in front of her.

"You're going to like this one; read that first"

Unlike other personal spaces on the Heinlein, captain Jowelssen's doubled as a working area. The paperless (weight, weight!) organisation meant his in box was virtual, but none the less bulging for that.

A tentative cough brought him back to his visitor. "And what, as a sociologist, have you spotted as the common factor between those?"

"Food. Every transaction, from declaring the end of a war to setting trade restrictions, is done over a meal."

"So we come out of it looking stand-offish and arrogant, untrusting and unfriendly. And even if this appearance is accurate, at least for our bosses, it reflects badly on us. And this is prime information territory, high-tech and peaceful, just the sort of place we could make some real profit, so, as captain of the Heinlein I'm going to take the risk of relaxing the regulations a little.

Of course I could just accept one of their multitudinous invitations, and choose two or three others to leave their suits off and risk whatever but, with you aboard, we can do better than that. Here's my plan: it's not an order yet, and I'd be happy for any suggestions.

We fly you and Sonja down, language and taste, with a couple of emeralds which you convert into currency at a lapidary in the city. Then we fly you to what seems to be a farmers' market in the heart of the agricultural zone, and you buy whatever ingredients you can find fresh.

Back to the city where they'll have lowered the lift cage, and you buy any cooking utensils you may need, plus any foodstuffs you need from a city. You'll have a bit more than twelve hours to do all this, starting at dawn tomorrow. Meanwhile, we'll have cleared a flat patch of waste ground, and set up dining a tent.

Twenty hours after your return I expect you to turn out something to compete with the meal you cooked after the first tour of duty, only for twice as many people, a large number of whose tastes we do not yet know. Anybody you need to help, to stir, to peel, you've got, be it crew or locals, but you have the final say in everything. If it were anyone but you, I wouldn't take the risk, but if we win this one, we've won more than just a world; we've forced a little slack into the reins Brussels keeps us tied up with.

I know I can trust the two of you; will you be needing a guard to carry the heavy stuff?

Ivan will be staying with the plane at all times, and you can carry a lot more provisions if there are only the three of you."

The captain reached down and turned off the 'public recording', leaving only the security backup running.

"I know that both you and Sonja, each for her own personal reasons, are dying to get out of those suits. You are the most logical team, and she's already agreed.

Of course I take advantage of my crew's special talents; what good captain wouldn't? But I'm not forcing you – we can always accept their hospitality, and only expose a few of us to the risk.
Still, off the record, if a few sacks of dehydrated human waste should disappear, and an equivalent weight of fresh ingredients magically replace them, I, for one, would not be unhappy about it, and the Eurocrats can stuff it back where it came from. Consider it a bribe, as I can't bribe you with money."

Arwen's eyes were glowing brighter than her personal screen as she scribbled notes to herself.

"No guard, Captain. Anyone who gets in the way of this meal is going to end up part of it. And we're not fragile flowers; we'll carry it all right.
Clothes?"

"Yes, that would be a good idea. There will be costumes that should pass as local waiting for you at the lock, with the stones."

In the grey predawn, the two women were lowered down to the 'Albatross' in her sling beneath the Heinlein. Ivan looked at them jealously; he was still sealed into his freezer bag. As they sat they were still tucking in unfamiliar clothing, and foam coffee cups and bread rolls were clutched in their hands.

"If you will kindly check your safety harness attachment the oh four fifteen to Issatry will be leaving immediately"

The difference in being able to smell an alien environment.

The city, with its alcohol-fuelled cars rather than the hydrogen or newer coil-powered vehicles was a first taste, but it was still a city, while every market was symphony of odours, this was in an alien scale. She had been in sensory deprivation with nothing but the bland predigested smells of Heinlein's kitchen, the farts of its occupants; here she threatened sensory overload from the full colour, high-definition olfactory invasion.

The market had not started well. The local security had been informed of their arrival, but what they'd been afraid of was xenophobia. What they got was far more mundane; four low-grade agricultural labourers, seeing two women, one dumpy old one and a younger, with empty backpacks walking into the market decided this indicated they had money, and offered, fairly forcefully, to help them protect it, and guide them. Upon being informed that this would not be necessary, they had increased the intensity of their arguments, moving in close enough that the women could smell that, despite the morning being barely started, they had already absorbed a certain quantity of alcohol.

The security force scrambled as fast as they could, but when they arrived one of the would be aggressors was hopping on one leg, clutching his other foot, while another was curled up on the ground, attempting to choose between screaming, breathing or vomiting, while an audience of other customers applauded and offered various portions of the aggressors as trophies; they were known, and not liked.

From then on, market buying became more standard, and it became clear that Arwen hardly needed an interpreter. By mime, by feel, by the mere fact she obviously knew what she was doing even if she had no more than a dozen words to explain herself, she chose the products she wanted, with a drone from the local television network soon following her around like a pet dog. She tasted – and everyone wanted to have their products tasted by her – cheeses, wines, vegetables and preserves, making it absolutely clear when a product was good, but not what she needed. She sniffed at, poked and squeezed meat, fish, sausages and spices, asking what this was good with, and apparently absorbing the answer without the intervention of language, though Sonja was always there, translating in both directions.

When it became clear the rucksacks were becoming heavy, a teenaged girl appeared from nowhere with a handbarrow, and accompanied them round from then onwards, basking in reflected glory.

Finally the 'dong' of time's up sounded in both of their ears, and they made their way back to the plane for the next phase of the buying, the entire market shouting farewells and encouragement. They hadn't stopped for lunch, but the constant offer of titbits, a glass here, a nibble there had kept them nourished and sustained (even a tiny bit light-headed in the case of Sonja, who tended to drink the entirety of any beverage, rather than just tasting) The girl refused all attempts at payment, explaining to Sonja that the marked inspectors were paying her, and leaving a number she could be contacted the next time they came through. And the crowd moved back, and the little plane, loaded only slightly over its limits, bounced across the pasture and carried them on to the next stage in their endeavour.

Great cooking is always an experimental science; ingredients change from batch to batch, and require slightly different treatment, or quantity. To get everything just right, at just the right time, requires intuition and masses of experience. Working with ingredients you have never met before requires something more, between genius and magic, and that day Arwen had it; she was determined that, even if she spent the rest of her working live rehydrating pap, this was a meal that would be remembered by everyone who ate it.

Sonja lived as her shadow as local chefs came in, to find ways of replacing gear that didn't exist on the ship, and stayed to help, recognising that this was going to be a historic event, that having this on your CV was worth a year's apprenticeship in a great restaurant. It wasn't possible in the time allotted, and they all knew she was going to do it anyway. In the main tent, tables were being built and decorated; in the smaller cooking tent an unstoppable force of nature converted a heap of ingredients into a feast that would be remembered beyond her own lifetime. She didn't eat, but tasted so many different things she probably absorbed enough nourishment, didn't sleep, and stopped twice to urinate. The cameras built up; they too could feel the electricity in the air, the drama of an opera that was, despite all the willing helpers, a one woman show.

And when the first guests were shown to their seats, the apperitives were on the tables and eager assistants brought glasses of the first wine chosen.

Sonja had been stolen by the Captain to interpret at the high table, so communication in the kitchen had gone non-verbal. Perhaps the gap between the fish course and the sorbet to clear the palate before the meat (or egg based, or vegetarian) main course was a bit longer than it should have been, because her aides hadn't understood the theory, but everyone was communicating (some were actually talking, others using more basic techniques) in the main tent, so it wasn't noticed. Course followed course, and those who'd indulged themselves in the earlier offerings now began to regret it, as new and ever more seductive odours invaded their senses. Clothes creaked under the strain, as beneath them did bodies. Cameramen let their machines run untended and stole unclaimed deserts, not having been allowed the earlier courses. Bottles stood unpoured, glasses untouched.

And finally even that drew to a close; there was nothing left to serve, and no-one left who could eat. A combined force of local chefs and ship's crew who had been serving picked up the heroine of the evening and carried her, red-eyed and wilting, into the main tent, where she was stood on the high table like an ornament. It didn't matter that she couldn't speak, with the cheering going on she wouldn't have been heard, anyway. The captain leapt to his feet and hugged her, being nearly as tall as her even with the table, then Jod lifted Sonja onto the table so she could do the same, and soon she was being passed round, signing menus and place settings, hugging locals and shipmates indiscriminately, all thought of isolation thrown to the wind, crying, laughing exhausted, victorious.
 

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