The End of Time (pts 1&2): Final DT episodes

[Brian G Turner]

re: The End of Time (pts 1&2): Final DT episodes

an evil beard.

Absolutely.

 

[Teresa Edgerton]

re: The End of Time (pts 1&2): Final DT episodes

I miss that beard. The Master doesn't seem like the Master without it. Let us hope that Steven Moffat has a just appreciation of evil beards and their place in the dramatic arts.

 

[thaddeus6th]

re: The End of Time (pts 1&2): Final DT episodes

I suspect Jacobi wasn't feasible as a longterm Master simply due to the New Who obsessions with running about and hyperactivity. It's possible his work schedule made it difficult, but given the nature of the show I imagine they could've worked around it.

It really is a damned shame, he was better in the five minutes of Master airtime he had than Simm was for the three full episodes he was the Master.

 

[Vladd67]

re: The End of Time (pts 1&2): Final DT episodes

I suspect Jacobi wasn't feasible as a longterm Master simply due to the New Who obsessions with running about and hyperactivity. It's possible his work schedule made it difficult, but given the nature of the show I imagine they could've worked around it.

It really is a damned shame, he was better in the five minutes of Master airtime he had than Simm was for the three full episodes he was the Master.

Too true rather like Brian Cox's performance as Lector.
For me there was only one Master

 

[HareBrain]

re: The End of Time (pts 1&2): Final DT episodes

Too true rather like Brian Cox's performance as Lector.
For me there was only one Master

I agree. Roger Delgado (for it is he) exuded menace just by being on screen. John Simm can only appear menacing by overacting so much that he appears insane.

 

[thaddeus6th]

re: The End of Time (pts 1&2): Final DT episodes

Simm's Master wasn't menacing at all. Cartoonish, rather than creepy.

It's a shame Ian Richardson isn't still alive. Even without an evil beard he would've been fantastic.

Hmm. Maybe Patrick Stewart. But the scripts need improving too.

 

[Interference]

re: The End of Time (pts 1&2): Final DT episodes

I suspect Jacobi wasn't feasible as a longterm Master simply due to the New Who obsessions with running about and hyperactivity. It's possible his work schedule made it difficult, but given the nature of the show I imagine they could've worked around it.

Agreed, so acceptable. i was told once that someone read (yes, one of those stories) that there'll never be an older Doctor now, due to the physical demands of production in this era.

Simm's Master wasn't menacing at all. Cartoonish, rather than creepy.

He played the "lost soul" quite well though, at the end. He made a fine stab at a weak script.

It really is a damned shame, he was better in the five minutes of Master airtime he had than Simm was for the three full episodes he was the Master.

The difference, I think, between an actor and "flavour of the month". I've no doubt Sim will mature into an impressive performer, though. However, like they say of Hamlet, if you're the right age for the part, you're probably not experienced enough to play it. I have similar concerns over Matt Smith.

 

[thaddeus6th]

re: The End of Time (pts 1&2): Final DT episodes

Maybe there could be a fitter, older Doctor ('older' only being 30s and 40s, maybe 50s). I do think an older Master would be entirely feasible. No need for him to be running around, when there's evil beard stroking and maniacal laughter to be done.

 

[Dave]

Re: I'm still not ginger!

The painfully PC BBC is having a really bad time over this:

“I’m still not ginger,” cried the new Doctor Who after his latest regeneration. But the BBC has insisted that the Time Lord intended this as a statement of regret after it received complaints from viewers.

The corporation issued a statement denying that the popular series was pursuing an “anti-ginger agenda” after parents of red-headed children complained about Matt Smith’s first words.

“I’ve still got legs. Arms, hands, lots of fingers, eyes, hair,” said Smith, 27, after completing his regeneration from David Tennant. Checking his new look, the eleventh actor to play the Doctor continued: “I’m not a doll. I’m still not ginger.”

Angry parents complained to the BBC that the comment, made in an episode seen by 11 million viewers, would encourage bullying of their ginger haired children. But the BBC said that the Doctor was actually disappointed that he had not joined the ginger ranks.

The statement read: “We’ve received complaints from viewers who believed a line in Doctor Who: The End of Time was insulting to people with ginger hair.

“We would like to reassure viewers that Doctor Who doesn’t have an anti-ginger agenda whatsoever. This was a reprise of the line in the Christmas Invasion episode in 2005, when David Tennant discovers that he’s not ginger, and here he is, missing out again — disappointed he’s still not ginger.”

The statement concluded: “In addition, the Doctor’s previous companion Donna Noble [Catherine Tate] and his new one Amy Pond [Karen Gillan] are both redheads.”

Russell T. Davies, the Doctor Who writer, had referenced an exchange between David Tennant after his arrival in the role and Billie Piper, who played his assistant Rose Tyler.

“Am I ... ginger?,” he asked. “No, you’re just sort of... brown,” she replied.

The Doctor said: “Aww, I wanted to be ginger. I’ve never been ginger.”

Surely the BBC has better things to spend our money on... like Jonathan Ross's Golden Handshake, or Celebrity Wheelchair Dancing, or The One Show?

But one mother who complained to the BBC said: “I think it is totally inappropriate for the Doctor to make fun of people with ginger hair — it is a programme children watch and I think it will encourage bullying."

Is it surprising the child is bullied with 'one mother' like her?

 

[Wybren]

re: The End of Time (pts 1&2): Final DT episodes

It is a shame though, that they didnt get a ginger haired Doctor, I mean they could have got Dan Wright, he would have made an interesting Doctor. Oh well, maybe next time.

Obviously these people kicking up a stink have not watched the show for long or dont watch it and are just jumping on the whinging band wagon.

 

[Interference]

re: The End of Time (pts 1&2): Final DT episodes

Poor writing, poor acting or poor direction? The issue should have been stifled at birth at a script or production meeting to satisfy the sensitive.

As Wybren says, the bandwagon was already rolling - Tesco Christmas cards etc - so someone should have raised the point and made it clear what the reference was. After all, who, but a Who fanatic, remembers Tennant's first lines?

 

[Pyan]

re: The End of Time (pts 1&2): Final DT episodes

Er, me...?



Iwould have thought that the English itself shows that it's a reference to an earlier quote - "Still..." infers that the question has been raised before.

And you can't blame the BBC for defending itself against gingerism by rebutting the charges, surely. If they'd ignored the "outcry", people would have assumed that the Doctor was thankful that he wasn't ginger.

I feel that the Great British Public have made the BBC what it is today, PC-wise, by jumping on the slightest pretext to have a go at them for insulting any conceivable minority.

 

[Ursa major]

re: The End of Time (pts 1&2): Final DT episodes

Speaking as a red-head (at least in living memory), the worst aspect of this is that it seems to have been a reference back to a previous remark that, it is said, was some sort of comment about Billie Piper's ex-husband, Chris Evans. A remark about the personal lives of one of the cast should not have been in the script; referencing that nonsense four years later just shows how pathetic RTD's writing can be.


But at least RTD is no longer in charge of the show, so perhaps the scripts will stick to the story from now on.

 

[Interference]

re: The End of Time (pts 1&2): Final DT episodes

A bad joke came back to haunt him. So it isn't all bad news, then I just hope it doesn't damage the franchise ...

 

[The Ace]

re: The End of Time (pts 1&2): Final DT episodes

Where's Hoopy going with that vat of chocolate ?

 

[Interference]

re: The End of Time (pts 1&2): Final DT episodes

Is she the vat inspector?

 

[HoopyFrood]

re: The End of Time (pts 1&2): Final DT episodes

Vat of chocolate? Say wha?



Mmm...melted chocolate.

 

[Interference]

re: The End of Time (pts 1&2): Final DT episodes

.... nah, I can't think of anything good ... soz

 

[nixie]

re: The End of Time (pts 1&2): Final DT episodes

Not to be a kill joy but can we get back on topic?

 

[Wybren]

re: The End of Time (pts 1&2): Final DT episodes

Speaking as a red-head (at least in living memory), the worst aspect of this is that it seems to have been a reference back to a previous remark that, it is said, was some sort of comment about Billie Piper's ex-husband, Chris Evans. A remark about the personal lives of one of the cast should not have been in the script; referencing that nonsense four years later just shows how pathetic RTD's writing can be.


But at least RTD is no longer in charge of the show, so perhaps the scripts will stick to the story from now on.

Which reference was that? over here it might have got lost on people not knowing what it was going on about.

but you are right, the personal lives of cast members shouldnt be referenced as it is not part of the world of the show.