The End of Time (pts 1&2): Final DT episodes

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Add in:
SFX that sounded good on paper, but wasn't - check
SFX/stunts that turned out quite well for the budget - probably, check
Snappy one-liners - check ("I thought it would be cleaner")
"Forced" humour - again, regretably, check
 
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oh come on, i thought it was actually quite good for a "special" - have to admit i'm waiting for the other shoe to drop on new years day, though.
 
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I must say that I quite enjoyed it, too - there were no alien ships crashing into London, London is not going up in flames, London isn't under threat from threatening threats, London, for once, is not the centre of attention. Rather, London just so happens to be where things are happening. Did anyone hear the word "London" at all during that episode? I've put my hopes for really good Who aside until Moffat takes over, and for now I'm just watching it for the candy.

Candy I liked:

- "Got married! That was a mistake. Good Queen Bess, and let me tell you, her nickname is no longer... *ahem*". We've finally got a reason for Queen Elizabeth I being shocked and angry at seeing the Doctor in Martha's second episode.
- Gallifrey is back! Coo'.


Locking the TARDIS like a car was... different. The chameleon ring the Master was left in was a bit... interesting. Someone's been playing a bit too much inFamous, and what a strange way to take revenge. "The Master Race", heh.
 
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I thought it was reasonable.

I say that as someone who habitually loathes the dire RTD specials, particularly season finales. Then again, the Davros special began really promisingly and then was wrecked with a dire second parter.

Have to see how part 2 goes.

Also, the Master Race line was quite good.
 
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The best thing about the episode in my opinion was the cafe scene between The Doctor and Wilfred. Really didn't like the ending though.
 
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Well I thought it was dreadful.

I thought the master race line was offensive.

The plot lacked everything. There doesn't seem to be any continuity in the script writers at all. We all know these events can't have happened because they insist on having the latest crop of plots set in the present time when we have over thirty years of "incidents" set after this time. If you're going to keep the basic premise that the Daleks invaded Earth in ten years time we can hardly have time ending now.

As for the "dig anybody up for a ride in a bus and group photographs/bum groping" part - Please!!!!

No this is a sad end to the Tennant era and shows that the only interest the BBC have in maintaining anything like the spirit of the program is purely in filling the TV slots with dumbed down crap. I doubt any watcher of this program was hiding behind the sofa. I doubt they ever will again.
 
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Hmm. Yes. A special that decidedly wasn't. The resurrection sequence was naff and hammy, the effects were pretty dire and - sorry - John Simm was just poor as the Master. Again. DT mugged away as best he could, and Cribbins was reliable as ever (probably the best thing in it, to be fair), but they were fighting against the tide. Eight of the family sat down to watch this evening with high hopes. Two fell asleep, and four didn't enjoy it. Not a good strike rate...:(

All of which is a shame, because I think the premise behind it was actually pretty decent. I really hope the second half is a big improvement - I'd like to see DT go out with a bang - but I'm not holding my breath.
 
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Just awful. Insulting actually. Cribbins excepted.
 
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Aye, Simm as the Master is not good, but I'm not sure whether you can blame the actor or the director/writer. I think Tennant is almost perfectly suited as the Doctor, but if he's given naff lines...

Hehe, I'm slightly staggered to be less critical of an RTD special than almost everyone else. Don't worry, though, I'm pretty confident I'll loathe the second part (I still remember the disappointment of the last season finale when an apparently unruinable opening episode was, er, ruined).
 
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Well I thought it was dreadful.

Not to single you out, TEIN -- although, I guess I am sort of doing that, aren't I? -- but you and so many others who post in this sub-forum have so many complaints against the series and seem to hate almost every episode ... why is it that you keep watching?

No sarcasm is intended. I really am curious about this, because I would never waste my time on a TV show I didn't like. A few bad episodes and I am gone. If the show was formerly a great favorite, I may take a peek at the next season to see if things have improved (if they have I might start watching again), but mostly that's it. Done. Even if it was a show that I watched faithfully for years and through hundreds of episodes. Couldn't make me watch the program again if you beat me with a stick.

So what gives some of you the patience to keep on watching a show that disappoints you week after week?
 
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I have a friend who texts me just to complain about an episode. The last couple of times I've texted him back asking why does he bother watching something he really doesn't like.

I enjoyed it actually, found it quite nail biting.

Are Time Lords all quite mental?
 
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Add in:
SFX that sounded good on paper, but wasn't - check
SFX/stunts that turned out quite well for the budget - probably, check
Snappy one-liners - check ("I thought it would be cleaner")
"Forced" humour - again, regretably, check


Terrible, terrible acting from John Simm - check.

The man is either a complete ham or doesn't take Doctor Who seriously enough to bother trying.
 
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In fairness to Simm I think the Master (save Derek Jacobi's fantastic and all too brief stint) has been really badly bent out of shape. It's a little like the Doctor, actually, with a focus on hyperactivity and SFX over substance.

On the moaning front, I do complain a bit but I keep watching because I like Dr Who, and sometimes you still get good or even brilliant episodes (Blink, The Impossible Planet, the 'Are you my mummy?' double bill etc).

Very glad RTD is going though. Shame Tennant is, but at least he had a reasonable time instead of Eccles-cake who ran off immediately.
 
re: The End of Time (pts 1&2): Final DT episodes

Not to single you out, TEIN -- although, I guess I am sort of doing that, aren't I? -- but you and so many others who post in this sub-forum have so many complaints against the series and seem to hate almost every episode ... why is it that you keep watching?

No sarcasm is intended. I really am curious about this, because I would never waste my time on a TV show I didn't like. A few bad episodes and I am gone. If the show was formerly a great favorite, I may take a peek at the next season to see if things have improved (if they have I might start watching again), but mostly that's it. Done. Even if it was a show that I watched faithfully for years and through hundreds of episodes. Couldn't make me watch the program again if you beat me with a stick.

So what gives some of you the patience to keep on watching a show that disappoints you week after week?

Ah Teresa:

It's genetic, almost. I saw the first episode twice - The first one it's re-run due to the assassination of JFK. It's been in my blood so long that I can't resist.

Over the years there have been some pretty naff episodes but I still can't kick the habit and sometimes - just occasionally you get a real gem (fewer and far between nowadays but I live in hope)

Besides, it fills the time between now and....

BTW - Teresa, Merry Christmas
 
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I watched it because everyone else was. Not to say that I don't like it and have a familiar childhood fondness for it, but these recent Christmas specials are all special effects, one liners and little substance. I mean, this episode was purely a build-up to the next one; very little of consequence actually happened.

I'm surprised that Bernard see images of the TARDIS everywhere and yet still forgets that in the 1960's he was once a policeman who tried to use the phone inside the TARDIS.

And Timothy Dalton as a Time Lord?? He was bad enough when he camped it up as King of the Birdmen in 'Flash'.
 
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And Timothy Dalton as a Time Lord?? He was bad enough when he camped it up as King of the Birdmen in 'Flash'.

As a minimum he's a "bad" Time Lord, possibly as far as insane Time Lord. But, at least there's something more than the Master. And it "should" be interesting to see how they've been building The Master into their plans.
 
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Nothing wrong with a bad Time Lord. (I always thought it was one word, for some reason). In the Five Doctors the Time Lord leader was evil, Rasillion wasn't exactly good, and wasn't Morbius a Time Lord? I have vague memories of the Rani (a woman) who was bad too. In fact, it might be easier to least good Time Lords:
the Doctor
Romana
erm....
 
re: The End of Time (pts 1&2): Final DT episodes

Nothing wrong with a bad Time Lord. (I always thought it was one word, for some reason). In the Five Doctors the Time Lord leader was evil, Rasillion wasn't exactly good, and wasn't Morbius a Time Lord? I have vague memories of the Rani (a woman) who was bad too. In fact, it might be easier to least good Time Lords:
the Doctor
Romana
erm....

a good point well made; and one the Confidential episode also made after the show. they're definitely setting the Time Lords up as the Bad Guys here.
 
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And Timothy Dalton as a Time Lord?? He was bad enough when he camped it up as King of the Birdmen in 'Flash'.

That epic performance was Brian Blessed, as I recall with a light shudder.
Dalton played Prince Barin, King of Arboria, the Forest Planet...



I was wondering if Dalton was The Valeyard...

In The Ultimate Foe, the Master appeared in the Matrix, revealing that it was possible to infiltrate it. Sabalom Glitz and the Doctor's future companion Melanie Bush were presented to the Court to rebut the Valeyard's accusations. It was then revealed that the Valeyard was, in fact, the Doctor himself — or rather, a distillation of the Doctor's evil side, a potential dark version who might exist around his twelfth and final incarnation. This concept is similar to the ethereal "Watcher" that manifested itself to bridge the gap between his fourth and fifth incarnations (Logopolis).

The Valeyard was also revealed to be acting at the behest of the High Council of Time Lords to cover its corruption in the Ravalox affair. The "secrets" were information from the Matrix. Ravalox was Earth, but the Time Lords moved it through space, killing virtually every human being living on it. To prevent the Doctor discovering the secret and revealing it, they used the Valeyard to try to have the Doctor executed under the pretence of a trial. The reward for the Valeyard's actions would have been to give him all of the Doctor's remaining regenerations and make his existence concrete. However, the Valeyard would then have slain every member of the Court as well, using a particle disseminator located within the Matrix.

The Doctor entered the Matrix and fought and defeated the Valeyard in a fictional world of his creation. The Inquisitor revealed that Peri had indeed survived and was married to Yrcanos. The Master and the Valeyard appeared to be trapped in the Matrix, with the Valeyard apparently being destroyed by the feedback from the particle disseminator, but at the end of the serial, the Valeyard was seen disguised as the Keeper of the Matrix. The subsequent whereabouts of the Valeyard have never been disclosed in the television series.

Wikipedia
 
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I thought it was ok but will reserve judgement until I see the conclusion.
 

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