The Festival

By the way... I had meant to respond to your point above earlier. When it comes to the motto of "The Festival"... to me, that very motto but increases the ambiguity of the whole thing. Is his experience with the weird inhabitants of the ancient Kingsport that which "is not", or is it the more comforting diurnal world which is only apparent? If so, then that makes that bit from the Necronomicon even more chilling, in some ways; for it is as if, in the midst of this comforting illusion, a bit of the "supra-reality" remains, so that even in that illusion which should comfort, he cannot find peace.

Certainly, this would fit with a common motif of Lovecraft's, where the moonlight or night transform the world, revealing a truth which is hidden by the daylight's glare.

On the other hand, if it is his haunting experience which is only apparently real, then what significance does the motto have? Are there such things as demons, then? And why single him out to be tormented in this way? Certainly not for his damnation, for what he has been presented with is anything but a desirable vision and far from tempting.

As so often, Lovecraft leaves these questions unresolved, thus isolating the narrator even further while raising doubts about our perceptions and the nature of reality and knowledge. The only certainty we are left with is that things are not what they seem....

Certainly that's the common pattern that emerges in most of Lovecraft's tales, at least those which I have read so far. But what bothers me is the fate of the narrator(s). The story always ends to certain extent unresolved, and narrator ends up either a mental patient or a lost soul. Why isn't that these characters ever, after having "seen the light", turn their life around? I mean for example in Festival, if the man believe what he saw was real, wouldn't that invoke some sort of desire to seek the truth, maybe even try to join his "ancestors" in their sacred rituals? I mean with Lovecraft, it is about digging deep into the mysteries of the world and the universe right? In that sense, wouldn't it be more comforting for the narrator to blindly follow that which he observed as the truth? I hope it makes sense.

Thanks for posting those links. Just last night I ordered Iliad and Odyssey, been wanting to read them for some time now.

There is just one last thing. It looks like the word festival is interchangeable with the word feast, so the title could just as easily be "The Feast". It was a strange adventure. Can you imagine entering some white church and being lead through an underground passage way full of caves and to some tributary. In that sense the story might have done well without the winged creatures (especially as mounts for riding upon), but those creatures are not out of context with the rest of his stories. Instead of the winged creatures what might have worked is more details about the ceremony which was too vague, and unfortunately sounded somewhat interesting. It was altogether too mysterious, but there was a hint of something interesting, and I don't see why that the festival was banned, or why his kinsman would be hung other than perhaps that this festival was more trouble than it was worth.

That mounting the creatures part didn't sit well with me either, but I guess that was part of the ambiguity when it came to the ritual itself, along with that mysterious column of fire and the supposed destination of the worshipers.
 
It also said that the creatures were tame. Anyway this character should be happy that he escaped, rather than all this meloncholy arrangement. Not only that but he should throw out the Necronomicon or do something to put some from of victory upon the situation, otherwise he should have rode with the rest of the festival party and been positive about it.

It all sounds like Alladin. Too bad HPL wasn't reading Bram Stoker in his youth.
 
In that sense, wouldn't it be more comforting for the narrator to blindly follow that which he observed as the truth? I hope it makes sense.

Your looking at the wrong writer for 'Comfort'!

Thanks for posting those links. Just last night I ordered Iliad and Odyssey, been wanting to read them for some time now.

Cool. Any idea what translations? Robert Fagles does a brilliant Iliad.
 
Your looking at the wrong writer for 'Comfort'!



Cool. Any idea what translations? Robert Fagles does a brilliant Iliad.


1. Yeah I know, ;).

2. Sam Butler. Barnes and Noble have this great looking leather bound edition, so I went for that. Is his translation any good? I didn't exactly take this into consideration when purchasing the book, although I should have, but I can always return it if I'm not satisfied.
 
There should be forums here for the classis if they are the fountain head of Western literature.

The pilliar of light in the underground cavern was indeed significant and an unnatural light as was suggested in a post here. The other thing is that paganism and witchcraft are perhaps different things, and last of all, is that evil perhaps can appear out of itself and therefore take shape rapidly.

...for I am kind, I am kind, for I am kind, hahahahahahaha!
 
I'm not completely satisfied with it, if in the end the character just ends up in a sick bed. The same can be said for "Rats in the Walls".

Well, I'm inclined to agree with you there; but Lovecraft leaves a "rational out" not only for the sake of the readers who prefer that (and, of course, it is a hallmark of the true Gothic tale, a la Radcliffe & Co.) but also because this is part of his idea that such a story must work so that it leaves that doubt in the reader's mind that such a thing just might have happened in the "real world"... it can't have such overt aftereffects that it would be noticeable to the rest of the world (at least at present, though with some things, such as "The Call of Cthulhu" the idea is that eventually it will), but a doubt is left in the reader's mind -- at least on an emotional level -- that perhaps there are corners of reality we simply aren't aware of....

I'd rather see this character join the cult although at least the Necronomicon puts some resolution together.

I think that would defeat the whole purpose, really, were he to take that action. The purpose here was, as with "Dagon" to isolate the character completely, cut him off from the rest of humanity yet without losing his own humanity (which, of course, the narrator of "The Shadow Over Innsmouth" eventually does)... making the horror both outside and inside, cosmic and personal.

There is just one last thing. It looks like the word festival is interchangeable with the word feast, so the title could just as easily be "The Feast". It was a strange adventure. Can you imagine entering some white church and being lead through an underground passage way full of caves and to some tributary. In that sense the story might have done well without the winged creatures (especially as mounts for riding upon), but those creatures are not out of context with the rest of his stories. Instead of the winged creatures what might have worked is more details about the ceremony which was too vague, and unfortunately sounded somewhat interesting. It was altogether too mysterious, but there was a hint of something interesting, and I don't see why that the festival was banned, or why his kinsman would be hung other than perhaps that this festival was more trouble than it was worth.

The reason his kinsman was hanged ties in with the history of the Massachusetts-Bay Colony... specifically the witchcraft trials of the seventeenth century. And while it is true, as you note further on, that paganism and witchcraft are by no means the same, this was not a point the Puritans would have particularly agreed with you on... as seen by what happened with Thomas Morton and the celebrants of Merry Mount... something Lovecraft may have had in mind when writing the story, given his knowledge and love of the history of New England. As Peter H. Cannon pointed out, there are distinct similarities between HPL's "The Festival" and Nathaniel Hawthorne's "Young Goodman Brown", which may help to make some of the obscurities mentioned in this thread a bit clearer.... And, once again, the creatures themselves are the Lovecraftian equivalent of the witch's mounts as depicted in early engravings at times... and look forward in some ways to that odd fragment "Of Evill Sorceries Done in New-England, of Daemons in No Humane Shape":

But in respect of generall Infamy, no Report more terrible hath come to Notice, than of what Goodwife Doten, Relict of John Doten of Duxbury in the Old Colonie, brought out of the Woods near Candlemas of 1683. She affirmed, and her good neighbours likewise, that it had been borne that which was neither Beast nor Man, but like to a monstrous Bat with humane Face The which was burnt by Order of the High-Sheriff on the 5th of June in the Year 1684.

-- Collected Essays 5, p. 286​

Certainly that's the common pattern that emerges in most of Lovecraft's tales, at least those which I have read so far. But what bothers me is the fate of the narrator(s). The story always ends to certain extent unresolved, and narrator ends up either a mental patient or a lost soul. Why isn't that these characters ever, after having "seen the light", turn their life around? I mean for example in Festival, if the man believe what he saw was real, wouldn't that invoke some sort of desire to seek the truth, maybe even try to join his "ancestors" in their sacred rituals? I mean with Lovecraft, it is about digging deep into the mysteries of the world and the universe right? In that sense, wouldn't it be more comforting for the narrator to blindly follow that which he observed as the truth? I hope it makes sense.

In part, I think the answer is the same as above, but with this addition: Lovecraft wanted to evoke the sensation of genuine nightmare in such tales; and nightmares are seldom comforting in any degree.

[/quote]That mounting the creatures part didn't sit well with me either, but I guess that was part of the ambiguity when it came to the ritual itself, along with that mysterious column of fire and the supposed destination of the worshipers.[/QUOTE]

See my comment above concerning "Young Goodman Brown" and its relation to "The Festival". While Lovecraft is not specifically using, he is by inference drawing upon the associations with some very old traditions of New England witch lore, combining them with his own symbology of enormous caverns as places of eeriness and terrible potentiality (perhaps derived in part from classical literature, but also based on the fact that he himself had what he called an odd cross between agoraphobia and claustrophobia, a fear of large enclosed spaces... not, as he notes, that such ever threw him into a panic, but they tended to create in him a sensation of creeping menace and shadowy terror) as well as his ambivalence toward the sea.

It also said that the creatures were tame. Anyway this character should be happy that he escaped, rather than all this meloncholy arrangement. Not only that but he should throw out the Necronomicon or do something to put some from of victory upon the situation, otherwise he should have rode with the rest of the festival party and been positive about it.

Again, HPL isn't offering comfort... and to do so in such a situation would be completely false, following a stereotyped formula of hack magazine fiction. A person genuinely faced with such a situation would not be likely to have such a reaction as you suggest, but rather find themselves caught between the poles of reality and unreality, and fighting for their reason, as well as both terrified and forever scarred by what they have been through. As Lovecraft himself noted many times, conventions of popular fiction are almost always antithetical to true art, which at very least attempts to express such genuine human emotions as one would encounter in a given situation. Which leads us to:

Too bad HPL wasn't reading Bram Stoker in his youth.

I'm not sure how much Stoker you've read, but frankly, thank heavens he wasn't influenced by the man! Dracula is a fine book in some ways, but the best thing about it is the titular character and his menacing presence throughout. On other levels, it is often less than inspired, and the writing varies from rather good to quite pedestrian.... As for his other works, even the oft-reprinted "The Judge's House" and "The Squaw" (among the better of his short stories), at best the same can be said for them; at worst, they are unbelievably crude, simplistic, and inane....

However, the statement about Aladin is interesting, given Lovecraft's fascinating with the Arabian Nights as a youth, and the connection to Abdul Alhazred and his chef d'oeuvre...

There should be forums here for the classis if they are the fountain head of Western literature.

By all means, begin such a thread (a separate forum would have to be the result of enough interest to have at least several threads of discussion on such a topic... not terribly likely, really, but one can hope....). But, realistically, this is a science fiction and fantasy forum, not one devoted to the classics or literature in general, so such a thing is unlikely to be found here, however important these works are in the larger realm....
 
The question is, "What is the tone of this story?" I ask that because if this group involved in the festival was either celebrating or reliving some pagan ritual that occurred in the past. The narrator misinterpreted the entire situation and no harm was intended toward him. He made the wrong choice.

In the case of "The Shadow Over Innsmouth" the rumors cast a shadow over the truth about Innsmouth. That suited the Deep Ones well since they were not ready to enter conflict. That worked in that story, but some of these stories end in the narrator choosing to destroy himself rather than accept or understand things.

Well here I'd rather read this as a benign group of peacemakers, celebrating the festival no matter how odd it appears. Some people are odd, and these folks didn't mean him any harm. They were trying to help him.

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The part about literature. Well there is a book here with me called "The Epic of Gilgamesh" and on the back of the book it says "....for it revolves around fundamental forces and human problems common throughout the centuries." If this is true than it should be recognized that this book might be helpful as a guide for obtaining a deeper understanding of a situation that might appear in one of these stories. There must be something to this especially if situations present the same kind of problem repeatedly. If this inquiry does not tie into sci fi and fantasy, than all that we are left with is the advice of HPL.

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I did read "Young Goodman Brown" a number of years ago. I have the short story around somewhere, but I was not going to look it up or maybe I will. I can't quite remember the details the story but I do vaguely remember that it was reasonably good and that I liked it. I should look it up, although if you said that Hawthorne wrote it, than that is something else to consider, just because of the issue of Puritanism. I'm not sure that I want to open that can of worms, hence that epigraph.
 
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2. Sam Butler. Barnes and Noble have this great looking leather bound edition, so I went for that. Is his translation any good? I didn't exactly take this into consideration when purchasing the book, although I should have, but I can always return it if I'm not satisfied.

Shamed to admit I've never read the Butler translation, though it's very well regarded and has withstood the rigors of changing tastes within classical studies. I've just had a quick peek at the opening page and I've gotta say the reason for its survival, IMHO, is its clear and transparent language. You should be in for a treat.

Plus I can't knock the guy who inspired Dune's Butlerian jihad. (but that's another thread...)
 
The question is, "What is the tone of this story?" I ask that because if this group involved in the festival was either celebrating or reliving some pagan ritual that occurred in the past. The narrator misinterpreted the entire situation and no harm was intended toward him. He made the wrong choice.

Well here I'd rather read this as a benign group of peacemakers, celebrating the festival no matter how odd it appears. Some people are odd, and these folks didn't mean him any harm. They were trying to help him.

Whether or not he misinterpreted the ritual -- something I would argue is extremely dubious, given the nature of the "folk" involved (recall, again, that they are not human!) -- is not germane to what the tone of the story is. The tone of a tale is in its writing, in the emotional triggers the writer chooses to select to convey an impression. Here, as with the bulk of HPL's weird work, it is clearly one of terror, suspense, eeriness, menace, awe, and mystery. Parts of his topographical description here borders on the Burkean sublime, while the tone of the encounters with the inhabitants of Kingsport are a blending of spiritual and physical horror -- the use of such descriptives for these inhabitants, for example, include "flabby", "creeping", "preternaturally soft", "abnormally pulpy", "slithered", "serpentine," "slipping", "oozed", "streamed", "squirming noiselessly", "sinuous", "wriggling", etc.; all of which prefigure (or even telegraph) the revelation that these are grave-worms or maggots who, having feasted on the corpses of the wizardly or witchly inhabitants of the past, have absorbed their occult knowledge and "wax[ed] crafty" and "sw[o]ll[en] monstrously to plague [the earth]"... that, as we have seen with the numerous passages seen on his descent (all desending from the graveyard surrounding the church, remember), "Great holes secretly are digged where earth’s pores ought to suffice, and things have learnt to walk that ought to crawl".

Such being quite plainly the case (as shown time and again by the text of the tale), the likelihood of any beneficent intent seems far-fetched, to say the least. However, they may not have meant him harm, it is true... but, like the possibility that the inhabitants of Innsmouth had recognized one of their own in the narrator there, the fact is that at the very least what he would be expected to relinquish is his humanity in favor of such a repulsive, inhuman, and degraded existence as these vermin (for that is quite simply what they are) represent.

some of these stories end in the narrator choosing to destroy himself rather than accept or understand things

On the contrary; it is precisely because they do understand these situations and their ramifications that they make such a choice, holding onto their humanity rather than continue life in such a soul-annihilating circumstance. Of course, the ultimate horror of "Innsmouth" is that the narrator does, finally, so choose, and himself becomes one of the monsters he has encountered.

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The part about literature. Well there is a book here with me called "The Epic of Gilgamesh" and on the back of the book it says "....for it revolves around fundamental forces and human problems common throughout the centuries." If this is true than it should be recognized that this book might be helpful as a guide for obtaining a deeper understanding of a situation that might appear in one of these stories. There must be something to this especially if situations present the same kind of problem repeatedly. If this inquiry does not tie into sci fi and fantasy, than all that we are left with is the advice of HPL.

I did not say that such enquiries do not tie in with sff; merely that such are seldom the focus of such a forum. But yes, The Epic of Gilgamesh is a wonderful examle (and the earliest) of what we were talking about in this regard. At the very least (depending on the translation) I think you'll find it an enjoyable book. (The edition I have is the Penguin publication, with a translation by N. K. Sandars, which has a lovely poetic structure and lilt to it at times, despite the prose medium.)

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I did read "Young Goodman Brown" a number of years ago. I have the short story around somewhere, but I was not going to look it up or maybe I will. I can't quite remember the details the story but I do vaguely remember that it was reasonably good and that I liked it. I should look it up, although if you said that Hawthorne wrote it, than that is something else to consider, just because of the issue of Puritanism. I'm not sure that I want to open that can of worms, hence that epigraph.

I'm not sure what your objection to Hawthorne is (certainly he is one of the greats in American literature as well as the weird field -- something he dealt with quite often, really); but his work had a vast impact on Lovecraft; he not only took hints from Hawthorne's work and incorporated them into his own (as with the journal entry from Hawthorne which formed, in part, the basis of "The Outsider"), but also found his own "haunted regionalism" through a more critical reading of the earlier writer's oeuvre.
 
Actually, though Wilum alludes to it, one aspect which has not been discussed is that this story is Lovecraft's attempt to capture, in fiction, the emotional and imaginative impact made on him by his first visit to Marblehead, Massachusetts, in the winter of 1922. Even years later, he accounted this one of the supreme emotional moments of his life; and, in conjunction with his reading of Hawthorne, it is probably this which aided in the emergence of his more personal and historic use of his native New England milieu. Here is the passage concerning that first impression, as given in a letter of January 1923 to Rheinhart Kleiner (archaic usage in original):

Even now it is difficult for me to believe that Marblehead exists, save in some phantasticall dream. It is so contrary to everything usually observable in this age, & so exactly conformed to the habitual fabrick of my nocturnal visions, that my whole visit partook of the aethereal character scarce compatible with reality. This place was settled in King Charles the First's time, by fishermen of French & English blood from the channel islands. Its Town House, in the town-square, was finish'd in 1727, & by 1770 most of the land was well built up with plain but substantial houses. The ground is very hilly, & the streets were made crooked & narrow, so that when finish'd, the town had gain'd much of the eccentrick aspect of such antient Gothick towns as Nuremburg, in Bavaria, where the eye beholds small buildings heap'd about at all angles & all levels like an infant's blocks, & topp'd with a pleasing labyrinth of sharp gables, tall spires, & glittering vanes. Marblehead, indeed, was the scene of many romantick incidents; one of which concern' Sir H. Frankland of Frankland-Hall, & was writ of by Dr. Holmes the poet. Over all rest of the scene tower'd a hill on which the rude forefathers of the hamlet were laid to rest; & which was in consequence nam'd Old Burying Hill. In subsequent years a newer part of the village rose across the bay, & became almost as great a watering-place as Bath or Brightelmstone. But the conservative temper of the old villagers excluded such invasions of their settled district, & produced the greatest modern miracle that hath ever met my gaze. That miracle is simply this: that at the present moment the Georgian Marblehead of 1770 stands intact & unchanged! I do not exaggerate. It is with calm assurance that I insist, that Gen. Washington could tomorrow ride horseback down the long street nam'd for him without the least sensation of strangeness. Wires are few & inconspicuous. Tramway rails look like deep ruts. Costumes are not remarked in the twilight. And on every hand stretch the endless rows of houses built betwixt 1640 & 1780 -- some even with overhanging gables -- whilst both to north & south loom hills cover'd with crazy streets & alleys that Hogarth might have known & portray'd, had he but crossed the ocean to discover them. It is a dream -- a grotesque & unbelievable anachronism -- an artist's or antiquarian's fancy stept out of his brain & fixt to earth for publick inspection. It is the 18th century. There are no modern shops or theatres, & no cinema show that I cou'd discover. The railway is so remote from the town-square, that its existence is forgotten. The shops have small windows, & the men are very old. Time passes softly & slowly there.

I came to Marblehead in the twilight, & gazed long upon its hoary magick. I threaded the tortuous, precipitous streets, some of which an horse can scarce climb, & in which two waggons cannot pass. I talked with old men & revell'd in old scenes, & climb'd pantingly over the crusted cliffs of snow to the windswept height where cold winds blew over desolate roofs & evil birds hovered over a bleak, deserted, frozen tarn. And atop all was the peak; Old Burying Hill, where the dark headstones clawed up thro' the virgin snow like the decay'd fingernails of some gigantick corpse.

Immemorial pinnacle of fabulous antiquity! As evening came I look'd down at the quiet village where the lights came out one by one; at the calm contemplative chimney-pots & antique gables silhouetted against the west; at the gleaming small-paned windows; at the silent & unillumined fort frowning formidably over the snug harbour where it hath frown'd since 1742, when 'twas put up for defence against the French King's frigates. Shades of the past! How compleatly, O Mater Novanglia, am I moulded of thy venerable flesh & as one with thy century'd soul! God Save His Majesty, George the Third, & preserve his Province of the Massachusetts-Bay!

My return to Providence-Plantations was accomplisht without any events more untoward than a delay of three hours occasioned by a railway wreck at Readville; but I can never again have any considerable part in the thoughts of this decaying aera. I have look'd upon Marblehead, & have walk'd waking in the streets of the 18th century. And he who hath done that, can never more be a modern.

-- Letters to Rheinhart Kleiner, pp. 226-27​


As you can see, various images and even phrasings from this letter found their way into the finished tale, much as similar passages from letters and essays concerning his first trip to Vermont made their way into the completed version of "The Whisperer in Darkness".... Even in his wildest fictions, much of what Lovecraft based his work on was solidly grounded in genuine experience.​
 
That is one of the missing pieces, that the worms could be feasting upon the dead. It isn't very clear because you have the situation of the underground tributary and the strange pillar of flame rather than a site of decayed bodies, but the feast/festival makes more sense now.

I did not reread the entire "Young Goodman Brown" but I read parts of it and it looks like it is a sad ending. I was hoping for something else. At this stage of life, I want to read about a good victory somehow, not the simple minded stuff that goes around these days, but a little bit like you have done here J.D. with explaining the details supporting the worm theory. There isn't much mental process around anywhere, just low mentalities. Good job, although the story is still not exactly clear because for some reason I believe that there must be some more information about the festival that lies very deep somewhere in pagan philosophy that I don't know about and maybe HPL didn't either. I wouldn't want to examine this particular story much further however, but rather look for a greater effort, and I should look at least one or two of these ancient narratives for the sake of personal experience. If these Busharabians knew how to write a thousand years ago, it should be looked at, and I should finish the book I started on the Ancient Greeks.
 
Once again, well done and congratulations. This story is satisfactorily analyzed.

It is a rare comfort here to see this accomplishment.
 
About Bram Stoker. There was mention of this on this thread.

He wrote one good book, but it actually depends upon the reader. My hand accepts his stories sometimes (one of my hands). I'm not sure if you people ever try reading with either the left or the right hand. Anyway, he has his place, and I am looking at one of his stories, but I'll return to Lovecraft afterward, and I have a video game going as well "God of War II" or something to that effect. The point is that Bram Stoker is good for the correct person, and in the correct hand as well possibly.
 
I bet there's a Starbuck's slap bang in the middle of Marblehead now. A phantasmagorical horror HPL never envisaged.

Well, there is a Starbuck's in Marblehead:

Starbucks, Marblehead, MA : Reviews and maps - Yahoo! Local

But I'm wondering if it is in that newer section (which HPL mentioned had already become something of a touristy watering-place) or in the older town, which tended to resist such incursions. Anyone able to inform me on that?

At any rate... I'm not sure (aside from the prices) HPL would object all that much to Starbuck's, in the main, considering his high addiction to coffee....:rolleyes: And, considering the name, with its associations to Melville and New England whaling, he might even enjoy the rather twisted bit of humor.....
 
I bet there's a Starbuck's slap bang in the middle of Marblehead now. A phantasmagorical horror HPL never envisaged.

Ahem.....My first stop in Marblehead was to the Starbuck's, cos I needed to use their gents and I had to have my beloved decaf vanilla latte! I've just posted three new photos of me in Marblehead in me photo album.
 
Well, there is a Starbuck's in Marblehead:

Starbucks, Marblehead, MA : Reviews and maps - Yahoo! Local

But I'm wondering if it is in that newer section (which HPL mentioned had already become something of a touristy watering-place) or in the older town, which tended to resist such incursions. Anyone able to inform me on that?

At any rate... I'm not sure (aside from the prices) HPL would object all that much to Starbuck's, in the main, considering his high addiction to coffee....:rolleyes: And, considering the name, with its associations to Melville and New England whaling, he might even enjoy the rather twisted bit of humor.....

The Starbuck's is in what I think must be the newer section of town. It was right across the street from the wee Chamber of Congress stand. I'll post some more photos in me album.
 
I'm going to move around 30 jugs of water, 5 gallons each, than I'll join you people in coffee, but I use Tim Hortons. They have Starbucks here but I don't think that they make their own brand of coffee. I'm afraid that I will be too tired to read the next story.
 

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