Who will win The Game Of Thrones?

[The Imp]

I rickon (ya giddit? Oh never mind) that Rickon will turn out to be some sort of fearless angry warrior who ends up hitting puberty at like eight and has several ******* children by the time he marries Shireen at 12.

That's a horrible thing to predict for the kid. He'd then have an un-dead mother AND the mother-in-law from hell, not to mention a dead father and the grim reaper for a father-in-law

shudder

 

[TheBlackfish]

That's a horrible thing to predict for the kid. He'd then have an un-dead mother AND the mother-in-law from hell, not to mention a dead father and the grim reaper for a father-in-law

shudder

At least from what we have seen from Shireen, she seems as nice as any little girl could possibly be. Im not sure the savage Rickon could put up with Patchface though.

 

[3EyedCrowsEye]

I don't see marriage in Rickons future...maybe a spearwife

 

[devilsgrin]

my personal belief as to the end game is still too nebulous to be definitive... however on one thing i'm 100% certain.
The Dothraki will NEVER set foot (or their horses their hooves) on Westeros.
The most important reason - Danaerys with a barbaric dothraki horde would not be a triumphantly returning queen, but a foreign invader, whom all the lords of westeros would turn against, alligned behind Aegon. i imagine the Golden Company have more than a few tactics to defeat dothraki in battle. not the least of which is elephant cavalry terrifying their horses.
Also just on the Dothraki - they actually don't seem to have all that much experience fighting determined or even trained opposition. the only targets we see them face are non-hostile like the lamb-men (lazareen? sp?) and "threatening" the free cities.

 

[The Imp]

my personal belief as to the end game is still too nebulous to be definitive... however on one thing i'm 100% certain.
The Dothraki will NEVER set foot (or their horses their hooves) on Westeros.
The most important reason - Danaerys with a barbaric dothraki horde would not be a triumphantly returning queen, but a foreign invader, whom all the lords of westeros would turn against, alligned behind Aegon. i imagine the Golden Company have more than a few tactics to defeat dothraki in battle. not the least of which is elephant cavalry terrifying their horses.
Also just on the Dothraki - they actually don't seem to have all that much experience fighting determined or even trained opposition. the only targets we see them face are non-hostile like the lamb-men (lazareen? sp?) and "threatening" the free cities.

I think your observation about the Dothraki is spot on. They are made for fighting on horseback, against weaker opponents. They would be decimated by a trained army in armor. I suspect that they wouldn't stand a chance against the Unsullied, and would do even worse against a well fortified city.

 

[juleska]

Thoroughly concur. I'm interested to see what happens with the Dothraki that Dany's just bumped into, but hoping it won't take the entire next book to find out. That said she does need an army. Who do you think her army will be comprised of?

 

[devilsgrin]

Thoroughly concur. I'm interested to see what happens with the Dothraki that Dany's just bumped into, but hoping it won't take the entire next book to find out. That said she does need an army. Who do you think her army will be comprised of?

At least 1 or possibly 3 dragons. that is all. at least until she makes it to westeros. Whereupon, her best option, should he still be alive, is alliging with her "nephew" Aegon. I suspect the rest of westeros would prefer to follow a King rather than a Queen. regardless of dragons.

 

[The Imp]

At least 1 or possibly 3 dragons. that is all. at least until she makes it to westeros. Whereupon, her best option, should he still be alive, is alliging with her "nephew" Aegon. I suspect the rest of westeros would prefer to follow a King rather than a Queen. regardless of dragons.

This sort of raises a question for me. Dany was perfectly happy to let viserys be King and have control. She never really wanted to rule, ruling was given to her by circumstance as much as anything else. If Aegon is really Aegon, his would be the legitimate claim. If or when she meets him, will she yield to his claim and follow, or possibly reject him as a pretender (which he very well may be) or perhaps simply just want to rule rather than allow him to?

 

[devilsgrin]

This sort of raises a question for me. Dany was perfectly happy to let viserys be King and have control. She never really wanted to rule, ruling was given to her by circumstance as much as anything else. If Aegon is really Aegon, his would be the legitimate claim. If or when she meets him, will she yield to his claim and follow, or possibly reject him as a pretender (which he very well may be) or perhaps simply just want to rule rather than allow him to?

i think we've already seen that in spite of her supposed "Brains," Dany is easilt swayed by her desires... Aegon, according to Tyrion is VERY handsome. I suspect she'd be happy to rule beside him.

 

[dragonstone]

i think we've already seen that in spite of her supposed "Brains," Dany is easilt swayed by her desires... Aegon, according to Tyrion is VERY handsome. I suspect she'd be happy to rule beside him.

Dany is all heart and very little head - but the one thing you can say about her is that she tries and learns from mistakes. Jon has heart and head in equal amounts, so if you accept R+L=J then he would fit as one of the three heads to compliment near-brainless emotional Dany. Now... someone with some dragon blood, a child of three like Dany and Jon (if you accept R+L=J) well, you could say Aegon - but he would be of the same family of 3 as Jon and may be a pretender besides. So three children of three three-child families, someone who is all head and no heart, with a bit of dragonblood... Stannis anyone..?

 

[devilsgrin]

Dany is all heart and very little head - but the one thing you can say about her is that she tries and learns from mistakes. Jon has heart and head in equal amounts, so if you accept R+L=J then he would fit as one of the three heads to compliment near-brainless emotional Dany. Now... someone with some dragon blood, a child of three like Dany and Jon (if you accept R+L=J) well, you could say Aegon - but he would be of the same family of 3 as Jon and may be a pretender besides. So three children of three three-child families, someone who is all head and no heart, with a bit of dragonblood... Stannis anyone..?

yes, she does try, but her mistakes usually cost hundreds if not thousands of innocent people their lives. she's also slow to learn. She's not a particularly intelligent person i'm coming to think. I'll blame that on Viserys, and her ever-growing arrogance.
Jon on the other hand has shown to be very intelligent. I've mentioned on other threads about how highly i rate the intelligence of the Stark children, Jon included. He learns from his mistakes, and quickly. The situation is FAR less forgiving for him - he doesn't have thousands of people's lives to gamble with, whilst at the same time, he's gambling with the lives of the millions of people in westeros.
Stannis is doomed. of the baratheon boys, Renly was the best choice for a crown (by a LONG way).
Aegon, considering the Targaryan propensity for incest, makes perfect sense.
I personally believe he is who Varys and Jon Connington claim he is. Which, of course, makes him the RIGHTFUL heir to the Iron Throne. Not Dany, and most definitely not Jon (even if, and i do mean IF, R+L=J)

 

[The Imp]

yes, she does try, but her mistakes usually cost hundreds if not thousands of innocent people their lives. she's also slow to learn. She's not a particularly intelligent person i'm coming to think. I'll blame that on Viserys, and her ever-growing arrogance.
Jon on the other hand has shown to be very intelligent. I've mentioned on other threads about how highly i rate the intelligence of the Stark children, Jon included. He learns from his mistakes, and quickly. The situation is FAR less forgiving for him - he doesn't have thousands of people's lives to gamble with, whilst at the same time, he's gambling with the lives of the millions of people in westeros.
Stannis is doomed. of the baratheon boys, Renly was the best choice for a crown (by a LONG way).
Aegon, considering the Targaryan propensity for incest, makes perfect sense.
I personally believe he is who Varys and Jon Connington claim he is. Which, of course, makes him the RIGHTFUL heir to the Iron Throne. Not Dany, and most definitely not Jon (even if, and i do mean IF, R+L=J)

I don't think that Dany is stupid as much as she is woefully inexperienced and ignorant. Think of the mentors that other children in this series have or had, and compare any of them to Viserys, who was arrogant, ego driven, and totally out of touch with reality. All he taught Dany was that Targs have a divine right to everything because they they are Targs. In addition, Dany was completely sheltered/isolated from the influence of anyone else. BTW, it's also important to remember that Dany is what, maybe 15 when the events of aDWD take place? She's slow to learn from the many mistakes that she makes because she's inventing the wheel with every major decision that she has to make. She has no frame of reference, and no foundation that a good education would have afforded her. I think she's doing Ok given her limitations.

What would be the ramifications if Rahegar and Lyanna happened to have gotten married before they concieved Jon (we all know that Targs are polygamists), assuming, of course, that R+L=J is true? To be honest, i can't remember the timeline well enough to speculate as to whether Jon might have been born before Aegon. If Jon is older and Rahegar and lyanna were married, wouldn't that make him the rightful heir to the IT?

 

[devilsgrin]

i will concede that perhaps Dany isn't stupid, and i'll agree that her mentors have all been far more interested in using her claim than in educating her. I think her biggest problem with all the bad decisions she's making stem from involving herself in EVERYBODY else's business on the way. Your not wrong about her inventing the wheel with every decision.

Jon and Aegon seem to be about the same age. aegon was a baby when Gregor's men (or the Mountain himself) crushed his head... and Jon was a baby when Ned brought him back from war with him.

 

[thegoodkelly]

I'm so happy to have found this site and this thread. I have been dying to discuss theories about who will win The Game of Thrones.

Bran seems to be overlooked by everyone, on message boards and in the books. He is learning to fly. Crows for now, but I have no doubt that he will eventually progress to dragons. He will be restored to his rightful place as Lord of Winterfell. I don't see any of the Starks clamoring for the Iron Throne. They have had enough of the game, but they will hold all the power.

I see Arya as his Hand. She would never consent to the constraints of marriage and she would be a fierce protector of the family interests. Winterfell's knights would be the most formidable under her guidance.

Sansa will remain happily tucked away in the Vale after providing an heir.

Cersai will die of grey scale exiled from King's Landing with Tommen dead or by her side.

If Aegon is discovered to be a fraud, he will die and Dany will take the Iron Throne. If Dany believes him, she will concede the throne and rule Doran. She will marry Rickon, sealing the alliance with the North.

If you disagree, why? Thank you.

 

[kshRox]

You know nothing, Jon Snow . . .

But you will learn and be High Lord and Protector of the Seven Kingdoms.

 

[grip junky]

I hope Jon does not brake his oath to the black watch. So for me because of the oath Jon can never rule.

 

[kshRox]

How can he break his oath? He's dead.

 

[grip junky]

How can he break his oath? He's dead.

I do not think he is dead. If he is dead and brought back somehow, he would still have the oath.

 

[kshRox]

I disagree.
If he dies, he has fulfilled his oath to the Crows.

If he comes back - he is free to bring the scumbags in the north to heel.

 

[grip junky]

I disagree.
If he dies, he has fulfilled his oath to the Crows.

If he comes back - he is free to bring the scumbags in the north to heel.

A man that is married for 50 years dies under the knife getting some heart work done, and they zap him back, does he and his wife have to get remarried?

A Jar Head drowns in the pool at boot camp. On the side of the pool they get his heart going and him breathing again. Is his oath to the suck fulfilled?

I am sure what you think is what is going to happen, but I hope not. I waited a long time for this last book and I did not think it was good at all. If I have to wait 7 years for the next one, he plays grey with the oath and the book so,so I will be done.