The Winds of Winter publishing date guesses?

[Pedro Del Mar]

2017 is looking possible. Just took this from GRRM's Not A Blog:

'My appearance schedule for 2017 is very limited, and will remain so until WINDS is completed.'

 

[Anushka Mokosh]

Pessimism pays off.

 

[althea]

We can only hope..................

 

[Pedro Del Mar]

If he's limiting his appearances for the whole of 2017 then it sounds like he may still have a lot of work to do?......

But at least he's talking of it!

 

[Judderman]

2017 is only looking possible! Wow it is really getting bad if even getting it completed in 2017 is not almost certain. So much for a spring 2017 release..
At least he is going to focus on the book.

 

[The Imp]

2017 is only looking possible! Wow it is really getting bad if even getting it completed in 2017 is not almost certain. So much for a spring 2017 release..
At least he is going to focus on the book.

I've heard this song and seen this dance (pun intended) before. As with supposedly dead characters, I'll believe the book is done when it goes to publication. I have zero faith in GRRM at this point. I think he has psychological problems which both get in the way of his writing while at the same time make him a great writer.

 

[Anushka Mokosh]

2017 is only looking possible! Wow it is really getting bad if even getting it completed in 2017 is not almost certain. So much for a spring 2017 release..
At least he is going to focus on the book.

I predicted Spring 2017 back in 2014 was one of more pessimistic people. Turns out that I was an optimist.

I've heard this song and seen this dance (pun intended) before. As with supposedly dead characters, I'll believe the book is done when it goes to publication. I have zero faith in GRRM at this point. I think he has psychological problems which both get in the way of his writing while at the same time make him a great writer.

I think that most have no real expectations at this point.

 

[Judderman]

I predicted Spring 2017 back in 2014 was one of more pessimistic people. Turns out that I was an optimist.

The things GRRM can teach us about ourselves!

 

[althea]

At this precise moment,I think I am losing interest.
I enjoyed every book in the series so far,so maybe IF the great day dawns when the new book is published,I will buy it.
However,I'm not so sure.
I did wait 15 years for a sequel once and it really wasn't worth it.

 

[viZion]

I think he has psychological problems which both get in the way of his writing while at the same time make him a great writer.

Wow, that's a scorching hot take! I could definitely get behind this theory.

At this precise moment,I think I am losing interest.

I'm also losing interest. I rarely even think about it anymore. Just this morning I remembered I hadn't checked this forum in months. Looks like I'm not the only one. The TV show is where it's at for me now. I'll find out generally what happens and how it ends and I'll be totally ok with that.

If any more books come out in the future then I will read them but at this point I don't really care.

 

[mtzGr]

I'm still in the money: December 10, 2016

Stabs in the dark for Winds of Winter Launch

Sad to see my prediction come and go.

Personally, my enjoyment of AFFC and ADWD wasn't anywhere near as high as the previous books.

I agree. I enjoyed AFFC, but ADWD was particularly weak. The show has been very good, and the story actually progresses (unlike ADWD), so I'm more than happy to watch the end of the story. I think they've done an excellent job editing out unnecessary characters and sub-plots.

 

[Aquilonian]

I did wait 15 years for a sequel once and it really wasn't worth it.

I waited fifty years for Alan Garner to complete his trilogy- Wierdstone of Brisingamen (1960), Moon of Gomrath (1963), and Boneland (2012). It was well worth the wait. Still, GRR Martin is 68 already...

 

[The Imp]

I waited fifty years for Alan Garner to complete his trilogy- Wierdstone of Brisingamen (1960), Moon of Gomrath (1963), and Boneland (2012). It was well worth the wait. Still, GRR Martin is 68 already...

He is 68 and Very overweight. Maybe morbidly obese. His risk of premature death is significantly greater than a man his age who is of average weight. I'm going to turn 68 next month. I've done the rese0arch, and I've experienced the benefits of dropping a measly 15 pounds and getting down to a normal BMI. I've been able to totally eliminate blood pressure medication and my blood sugar/A1C levels are better than they've been In ages. IMO, there's no way that GRRM can be in perfect, or even just good health, at his weight.

Visit any elier care facility and see how many overweight people arerpruitt@simons-rock.edu living there compared to overweight people.all of this really has me feeking very pessimistic about GRRM being the one to finish the series. At least we have the HBO show to give us the evenTualatin ending, but I want the damn books.

 

[Anushka Mokosh]

Doom, Despair, Defeat

Not done yet, but I've made progress. But not as much as I hoped a year ago, when I thought to be done by now.

I think it will be out this year. (But hey, I thought the same thing last year).

At least he is self-aware...

 

[Judderman]

He doesn't seem to be bothered if it is out this year or not.

 

[The Imp]

He doesn't seem to be bothered if it is out this year or not.

I don't think that's a fair statement. He's repeatedly said that he wants the book out asap, and canceling most of his public appearances for this year certainly indicates that he cares a lot. I think he really wants to get this book out.

 

[MWagner]

I don't think it's a matter of not caring. But the saga has become such a tangled monstrosity that any joy he had in writing it seems to have leeched away.

 

[The Imp]

I don't think it's a matter of not caring. But the saga has become such a tangled monstrosity that any joy he had in writing it seems to have leeched away.

I don't agree with this either. I think that Martin has a legitimate mental "illness" that forces him to obsessively and compulsively seek perfection where perfection is impossible. I think he's incapable of knowing when to stop, and I think that's part of what makes him the great writer that he is, but I also think that his progress is significantly slowed by this inability to say it's good enough. What he really needs is a strong editor that's willing to give him a kick in the butt when he's being crazy, but I don't think he's ever had that.

As for the story being a tangled monstrosity, I think that's right to a certain extent, but I also think the stage is set for a lot of people to die without him necessarily needing to legitimately finish their story arcs. Greyscale, dragons, white walkers, and internal strife all have the potential to create Mass death in the Seven Kingdoms. I think it's just a matter of knowing how to get there and him being satisfied with that path

 

[Brian G Turner]

As someone writing multiple protagonists, I can certainly vouch for how difficult that is. As I've said elsewhere, in most stories a single character goes from point A to point B, then C, then D, often accompanied by a best friend or love interest, with maybe a couple more transient POVs.

With multiple protagonists, while Character 1 is going from A to B, Character 2 is going from A to C, Character 3 is going from B to D, and so on - with the additional distinction that everyone's plot arcs and emotional development arcs are intersecting and impacting one another.

Additionally, when you have character separated by geography, there's the additional headache of continuity while having to plot arcs in parallel.

I have far fewer protagonists and find it a challenge - I have total sympathy for GRRM who is having to juggle all these issues with such a massive cast. I've seen the telling of the story referred to as Shakespearean, but the writing of it must be Herculean.

 

[Pedro Del Mar]

He introduced far too many irrelevant POV's in AFFC and ADWD. It's his own fault and lack of strong editor that's put him in this position