After SuperHeroes , What Do You Think Will be the Next Big Thing in The Movies?

[Robert Zwilling]

The information is coming from a stand up comedian, that might influence the information. Watching a dead comedian get a standing ovation from a live audience for a cgi presentation might be his worst nightmare.

 

[BAYLOR]

The information is coming from a stand up comedian, that might influence the information. Watching a dead comedian get a standing ovation from a live audience for a cgi presentation might be his worst nightmare.

Until they come up with AI's that write comedy and tell jokes .

 

[Parson]

Until they come up with AI's that write comedy and tell jokes .

Of course they do, they just don't know that they do it.

 

[paeng]

Those are notable points by Seinfeld, and can also be seen in light of what Lucas and Spielberg said earlier about the industry:

Steven Spielberg and George Lucas predict film industry 'implosion'

Veteran directors warned students in US about difficulty of getting projects into cinemas, and suggested studio cautiousness could lead to hiked ticket prices

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although Spielberg later tries to argue that he meant something else.

 

[BAYLOR]

More reboots ? Oh Wait.

 

[Harpo]

More reboots ? Oh Wait.

Reboots have been around forever

 

[Robert Zwilling]

Reboot the Robots

 

[KGeo777]

But surely audiences are used to visual artifice in films?
In the 90s everyone saw Jurassic Park, in the 70s everyone saw Star Wars, in the 50s everyone saw War Of The Worlds, in the 30s everyone saw The Wizard Of Oz, and those films were clearly fake.

Yeah but the Wizard of Oz was driven by performers not FX. It's practically a filmed stage musical. The focus at all times are the actors.
War of the Worlds less so-the spectacle component was a big part of the selling point--but that was exploiting VFX that had not been tried before.


Today you have two problems--a)FX is no longer innovative and b) movie stars are not so special. Good actors need good writers--and writing is not important in Hollywood like it once was because actors aren't important as they once were.

Today--take any of the big stars who appear in some hyped up movie and they are all doing franchise brand stuff. Playing toys, or forgotten tv show characters. Think about it from the actor's POV--how exciting can it be to play a toy--especially when you have a room full of executives who are making decisions?

We are so far removed from the organic experience in technology-driven cultural works.

 

[Harpo]

Maybe the next big thing isn’t films at all. Maybe it’ll be (for example) AI botswarms performing lightshows above your house, or some new variant of Pokemon Go in which players hunt for fully interacting holo-avatars of their favourite stars, with real-time deepfake impersonations, or maybe it’ll be truly multicultural lifestyle changes, where no group or team has any two people from the same country

 

[KGeo777]

Imagine seeing the Great Train Robbery for the first time when the technology was experimental--it must have been incredible for people because the idea of projecting detailed images onto a big screen and seeing them move--and the lack of familiarity with the technology--it would have seemed like a crystal ball or magic.
The parting of the Red Sea.
It makes sense that people panicked when a gun was pointed at the screen because the lack of understanding and comfort with the technology--it would have seemed like a window or something completely immersive as an experience.

 

[Judderman]

Marvel Comics is coming up with a series featuring aliens (from the Alien movie franchise) vs. the Avengers.

Sounds awful!

 

[Harpo]

Sounds awful!

DC did similar back in the 90s

Also there was a Judge Dredd/Aliens crossover comic about twenty years ago, so Marvel are latecomers

 

[KGeo777]

Aliens make everything better.



Moby Dick with Aliens?

"to the last I grapple with thee; from hell’s heart I stab at thee with my light saber(? that's AI for you); for hate’s sake I spit my last breath at thee thou damned alien!"

Sherlock Holmes vs the Aliens

"This giant rat is not of Sumatra Watson!"

 

[Judderman]

For a comic that sounds entertaining. I thought (probably wrongly )this was referring to a film series, which would likely be a disaster if so.

 

[paeng]

The implication of points raised by Lucas and Spielberg are the ff.

A lot of money has been created because of deregulation in the states, which started in the early 1980s, and which led to the global financial crisis in 2008. At the same time, the movie industry started becoming more dependent on international audiences in the early 1990s because of high economic growth in the Global South, especially in China.

Given that, studios have to make expensive movies and targeted to the same audiences, with the expectation of earning at least 2.5 times the cost of making them (because up to half of the earnings go to distributors and theater owners and $100-200 million is spent on marketing). Meanwhile, viewers complain about high ticket prices, parking, and things like meals and snacks (theater owners earn more from selling food than from the tickets), and expect to see expensive-looking movies in exchange for that.

That's why the movies are filled with CGI and special effects, are mostly more than two hours long, are usually in the PG sweet spot (so that those who are too young can watch it and those who are too old won't think that they're forced to watch something meant for children), and have storylines that people of different cultures and languages can easily follow. (That reminds me of one article about Americanization, where one American saw a middle-aged woman in Papua New Guinea seated beside a portable TV on the beach, laughing and having a great time watching professional wrestlers.)

That means movies that can have different genres but have sci-fi and/or fantasy elements. Examples include superhero movies, not to mention movies like Barbie and those that are part of the Mario Bros. and Ghostbusters franchises.

Finally, to maximize profits, they have to milk franchises for all they've got, just like showing more seasons of a TV show until it either ends well or is run to the ground and is cancelled. That means sequels, prequels, reboots, retcons, re-imaginations, special editions, director's editions, spinoffs, mashups, etc. And those have to be shown quickly, which means avoiding multiple rewrites and using CGI, deepfake, etc., to decrease production time.

 

[Vladd67]

The information is coming from a stand up comedian, that might influence the information. Watching a dead comedian get a standing ovation from a live audience for a cgi presentation might be his worst nightmare.

Something like this? (Performance starts 6min in)

 

[BAYLOR]

DC did similar back in the 90s
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Also there was a Judge Dredd/Aliens crossover comic about twenty years ago, so Marvel are latecomers

Ive seen those. There was also a Batman/Predator crossover and Tarzan/ Predator at the Earth Core comic.

 

[Oligonicella]

writing is not important in Hollywood like it once was because actors aren't important as they once were.

That ain't the reason. It's because they can't refrain from pushing agendas in their writing.

 

[paeng]

Also, more of revenues come from overseas, which is why stories need to be easy to follow as audiences will come from different cultural and language backgrounds.

In addition, ticket prices are high and the market saturated, which is why they need to come up with longer movies, and with lots of spectacle.

 

[BAYLOR]

A sequel to the 1969 surfing film The Fantastic Plastic Machine ? They can call it The Fantastic Plastic Machine :Where Are they Now.