Westworld

[Mr Orange]

I don't have any explanations for the Wyatt narrative - although we don't really know that Fords new narrative is the Escalante narrative do we?

i think it's mentioned that he is recovering a buried town as part of his narrative, and there are a couple of scenes where he goes to visit the buried church spire when he is (presumably) planning it all

 

[Frost Giant]

Arnold might have faked his death

I think there is also the possibility that Arnold was able to upload all or part of his consciousness into a host or the Westworld system.

 

[REBerg]

What if ...

• Ford is the only non-guest, natural human in Westworld?
• Arnold was Ford's first host, created to be his partner?
• When Arnold became a bit too clever, Ford "downgraded" him to Bernard?

 

[Nate Hoffelder]

The board member is real. Teresa was real, otherwise Ford would not have had to kill her. The same goes for Elsie, and the security chief (who was captured by Indians).

 

[REBerg]

The board member is real. Teresa was real, otherwise Ford would not have had to kill her. The same goes for Elsie, and the security chief (who was captured by Indians).

I'm not counting anyone from the Delos Corporation as being in Westworld. I think Delos is no more than Ford's bankroller, now looking to take Ford out and cash in on its investment.
Elsie and the security chief may be the undoing of my theory. Are you certain they are/were "real"?

 

[Mr Orange]

If Bernard did kill Elsie, then yes, i'd say that means she is human.

Stubbs, not so sure. He could still be a host, moving towards that point of realisation that Bernard had.

I think that the lab technicians (Felix and whatshisname) and others of their ilk might well be hosts.

 

[Nate Hoffelder]

If Elsie were a host then Ford could have simply controlled her rather than killing her.

I would have thought that the techs who encountered Maeve were real; otherwise she would have demonstrated to them that they were hosts.

But she could be saving that for her next trip through the labs.

 

[SilentRoamer]

I am almost certain the technicians are humans.

Unless Ford programmed the technicians to take out the hosts from cold storage and well erm "entertain" them which I would see no reason for then I suspect that known humans are:

Elsie, Teresa, William/MiB, Ford, Security guy.

Bernard is just a very well placed host.

Although with this show it could be anything! Really think this is the best TV show at the moment - for me it has been blowing TWD out of the water.

 

[REBerg]

If Elsie were a host then Ford could have simply controlled her rather than killing her.

I would have thought that the techs who encountered Maeve were real; otherwise she would have demonstrated to them that they were hosts.

But she could be saving that for her next trip through the labs.

He "killed" Bernard. Was that because he feared he was about to lose control?
If Ford thinks Bernard was a problem, wait until he has one of his little chats with Maeve. I think she is the break-out character in the series.
Delores has potential, but she seems to unable, thus far, to fully assert herself. Watching her fail is becoming annoying.

 

[SilentRoamer]

For me Ford killed Bernard not out of fear of losing control but as a way to show total control.

Literally "once I have walked from this room you will kill yourself" - his literal presence keeping Bernard alive. Lets not forget that he didn't really "Kill" anyone he just destroyed the current host body.

I agree Maeve is a standout character, every time she is screen I find myself glued to it and I suspect - though I don't know - that Fords backdoors are not going to work with Maeve - remember that she had access to core programming whilst also being elevated to the highest possible levels of intelligence.

 

[Nate Hoffelder]

I think Elsie could be a host.

I think Teresa is human because her death was revealed to the world. Elsie, on the other hand, was killed and disappeared. Hosts have survived worse, so she could be repaired and put back in commission.

On the other hand, she has been gone for several weeks so Ford might be planning to replace the now-deceased human with a host. The long absence is a cover for programming the host to think she is human.

P.S. I am really liking the freedom from spoiler tags. discussing the show is almost as much fun as watching it.

 

[REBerg]

Although with this show it could be anything! Really think this is the best TV show at the moment - for me it has been blowing TWD out of the water.

The unlimited possibilities are mind-boggling. It definitely is beating TWD, "at the moment."
It's nice that the show has no pre-existing printed material for comparisons or objections. About the only things it has in common with the original movie are androids allowing humans to live their fantasies and Michael Crichton.

For me Ford killed Bernard not out of fear of losing control but as a way to show total control.

Literally "once I have walked from this room you will kill yourself" - his literal presence keeping Bernard alive. Lets not forget that he didn't really "Kill" anyone he just destroyed the current host body.

I agree Maeve is a standout character, every time she is screen I find myself glued to it and I suspect - though I don't know - that Fords backdoors are not going to work with Maeve - remember that she had access to core programming whilst also being elevated to the highest possible levels of intelligence.

Bernard completely foooled me -- twice. I had no clue that he was a host until he couldn't "see" the door Teresa walked through. I also thought he had the drop on Ford with his zombie host.
Destroying (better word than "killing"?) Bernard's current host body will do, unless Ford decides to bring him back in another host. I am assuming that each AI continues to exist in the Westworld system, complete with whatever code changes they have been given or achieved on their own.
Were that not true, I don't think Maeve would have allowed the death by fire narrative to continue. I wonder if Ford has an inkling that Maeve can change narratives at will, just as he can. Has she joined Ford at the center of the maze?

I think Elsie could be a host.

I think Teresa is human because her death was revealed to the world. Elsie, on the other hand, was killed and disappeared. Hosts have survived worse, so she could be repaired and put back in commission.

P.S. I am really liking the freedom from spoiler tags. discussing the show is almost as much fun as watching it.

I still maintain that Teresa was Delos, and her presence was something Ford had to accept from his investors.
We owe the spoiler tag-free discussion to your bold move. No one seems to have complained, so we maybe we're in the clear.

 

[Frost Giant]

Maeve. I think she is the break-out character in the series.

Agreed. She certainly has as much potential as MIB if not more.

I have a feeling we will see Bernard (or another permutation of the controlled Arnold facsimile) again. Having some version of his old partner seems to be necessary for Ford, it gives him access to some of Arnold's creativity and out of the box thinking.

 

[Kylara]

I also think they've been sneaky with the Dolores travelling around scenes, mixing now and past travelling together. As they said they have perfect recall so we may be seeing a mixture of then travelling (with william) and now travelling to get to the spire. As last episode we see her in the spire and then the MiB opened the door... Haven't watched it second time through yet though...

 

[Nate Hoffelder]

I'm not counting anyone from the Delos Corporation as being in Westworld. I think Delos is no more than Ford's bankroller, now looking to take Ford out and cash in on its investment.
Elsie and the security chief may be the undoing of my theory. Are you certain they are/were "real"?

I don't know.

 

[REBerg]

I also think they've been sneaky with the Dolores travelling around scenes, mixing now and past travelling together. As they said they have perfect recall so we may be seeing a mixture of then travelling (with william) and now travelling to get to the spire. As last episode we see her in the spire and then the MiB opened the door... Haven't watched it second time through yet though...

The present/past flip-flopping was confusing the H out of me, but I'm a little slow sometimes.
When Delores took off with a gaping knife wound and then was suddenly just fine, I thought "what the ..."? I now realize that anytime the ghost voice of Arnold tells a character to remember, it's a memory and not the present story I'm watching.
If Arnold fails to warn me, I'll just come to the same conclusion whenever any thing impossible happens in what I thought was real time.

 

[svalbard]

This is very much on a precipice for me. It can either go all 'Lost' and disappear up its own posterior or hold it's nerve and keep the characterisation tight, character numbers limited, storyline under control. Then maybe this show has a chance. But it is 50/50 at the moment.

 

[Cli-Fi]

Dang you Westworld for keeping me up tonight. Some of us have to work the next morning. Well, I guess not Felix.

Spoiler

He doesn't even know if he's human or not

Ford's fingerprints are everywhere on this superb Finale! Looking forward to seeing where Maeve goes.

 

[Cli-Fi]

one issue i have with the theory above is

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it relies on Dolores being in the same "homesteader" loop for 30 years. this seems unlikely, given how other hosts are moved around all the time. also, how did she get the same outfit in the MIB's time? in William's time she only got it because they went to Pariah and El Lazo gave the clothes to her. also, how could she have a vision/memory of herself being dead in the water?

and then there is the Wyatt storyline that Ford has constructed which supposedly ties in very well with what has actually happened in the past, which is odd, and if Dolores and Teddy had such a malfunction in the past, surely they would have been retired?

okay, so that's more than issue!

i do actually think the theory (or most of it at least) is true, but there seem to be inconsistencies

and i thought ep 9 was great! how many episodes do we have in this season?

I just saw this, @Mr. Orange, and you touched upon some things that they tied up in the season finale which aired tonight. Let's just say, what I have been suspecting was true all along and most of the reasons why you see people in this show acting in a manner of way which might not make total sense is because they have been programmed to act that way either by Ford or Arnold directly or through proxy by someone(thing) else.

All the mumbo-jumbo has been pretty much tied up except the costumes. I guess they just keep the hosts in the same clothes and have a file saved on storage on what they should wear so it's easily printed out, the next time they die.

 

[Nate Hoffelder]

The finale was amazing, wasn't it?

I did not see that coming.