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[Winters_Sorrow]

She's the ideal of nobility that he will never be able to attain, and can only buy. Nobility conferred is less than nobility inherited?

Old money & New money, eh?

I'm not quite sure what LF's feelings toward Sansa are - currently, I think they're 'protective' rather than 'seductive' although I think that may change as Sansa develops into a woman.

 

[Cssndra]

And, god help us all, if Cersei doesn't enjoy sex with anyone but Jamie, why o why does she keep trotting it out as her best weapon?

Also...anyone wonder if she was pg....before she goes to see the HS near the end she makes a reference to her dress being too tight around the stomach....anyone else pick that up?

 

[Winters_Sorrow]

Also...anyone wonder if she was pg....before she goes to see the HS near the end she makes a reference to her dress being too tight around the stomach....anyone else pick that up?

Ha! That would be so ironic! Not to mention proof positive of her liason with Osney Kettleblack. I guess she should have took some of that Moon Tea herself!

As for why Cersei uses seduction as a weapon, I suppose that it was the only weapon she had. She's not clever or charismatic, nor can she inspire through oratory. She did, however, have her looks, so that's what she used to get what she wanted I guess. It's been mentioned elsewhere that her desire to 'be a man' (and by that, I refer to her numerous wishes to have been the 'real' son of Tywin Lannister) has perverted her approach to things like sex & power. She seems to have completely lost the plot by the end of book 4. I must admit I never understood her relationship with Lady Merryweather. I just couldn't get into her headspace and figure out what she was gaining. Here she was, sharing 'pillow-talk' with someone she hardly knew, and entrusting her with some of her most explosive secrets...

 

[Cssndra]

WS, I'm with you on the Merryweather thread. I'm pretty certain she was a plant - the question was, whose? The fact that she disappeared so quickly suggests to me that she had an ear to the ground, and was probably instrumental in bringing Cersei down.

The sex scene between the two of them? Interesting, I understand her headspace, she wonders what it means to men, part of her "what of it is to be a man/I wish I was a man quest". I'm surprised she hasn't bought a funnel so she can pee standing up.

Too bad Payne's not around to lop off her head.

 

[ChasenFate]

Wouldn't the irony be if she gave birth to a disfigured baby? And the common folk called him Tyrion. We all know drinking can lead to birth defects.Mmmmm...

 

[Winters_Sorrow]

Well the most obvious puppeteer for Merryweather is Lady Olanna (Queen of Thorns) but it didn't seem to do her much good as she was unable to warn Margery before she was nabbed for treason. I wonder if she's a little spider for Varys? He's disappeared off the scene but as all his contacts & influence are in KL, I doubt he'll have gone far...

 

[Cssndra]

If she's not a plant for someone, then it was just a plot device to make C go nuts. Maybe Merryweather is a poisoner for the Dornish?

 

[Boaz]

So, if there's something I'm missing I really could be dead wrong.

You know nothing, Jon Snow!

Jon and Sansa? Hmmmmm. Well, Jon now has a thing for red hair. But these two would only get together for political reasons, imo. While if Jon and Arya got together it would be from passion... and I think would be quickly over.

 

[Raven]

Chasenfate: well over half of ADWD has been completed, yes... but there's a problem. George is out promoting AFFC right now, so he isn't writing. And after that, he plans to take a deserved holiday (IIRC), then there will be a few cons he's already committed to appearing at.

Basically, he thinks he won't get much writing done in the next six months. So ADWD might be a year, more likely 18 months, away.

 

[Culhwch]

I still haven't made up my mind who my favourite character is (it was Ned! *grumble, grumble... )

Why can't it still be Ned? Just because he is no longer amongst the living doesn't mean he isn't the best character in the novels. For mine, it's a toss-up between Ned and Davos...

Jon and Sansa? Hmmmmm. Well, Jon now has a thing for red hair. But these two would only get together for political reasons, imo. While if Jon and Arya got together it would be from passion... and I think would be quickly over.

Well, of these two disturbing scenarios, I would have to say Jon and Sansa is more likely than Jon and Arya. Jon and Arya are very close in a brotherly/sisterly way, and I don't think either would be able to get over that fact to, well, you know. Whereas Sansa and Jon are more distant, so it wouldn't be as uncomfortable. You'd think, anyway... But I doubt either would happen.

 

[Culhwch]

Chasenfate: well over half of ADWD has been completed, yes... but there's a problem. George is out promoting AFFC right now, so he isn't writing. And after that, he plans to take a deserved holiday (IIRC), then there will be a few cons he's already committed to appearing at.

Basically, he thinks he won't get much writing done in the next six months. So ADWD might be a year, more likely 18 months, away.

The website Fantastic Fiction (http://www.fantasticfiction.co.uk/authors/George_R_R_Martin.htm) has it down as Feb 2007. I'm not sure I can wait that long.

Does anyone know if a Dunk and Egg story is due any time before then?

 

[The Blackfish]

As a child, I seem to recall that Sansa shared her mothers coolness towards Jon Snow and disapproved that her father treated him and Robb as equals. For his part, Jon could never understand Sansa and felt slightly uncomfortable around her. So any "future romance" would have to overcome the scars of childhood, so to speak.

I'm not saying it isn't a possibility though. Sansa is becoming a much more interesting character than she has been in the previous books, learning to use her intellect and instincts. It would be this part of her that I could see Jon being attracted to, rather than the vapid little girl she used to be.
I agree that LF is currently content in his role as "Alayne's" father, although I can see that it's a definite possibility he might take advantage of her in the future. The thought of that makes my blood boil ...

 

[Raven]

Culhwch: the major issue about the third D&E story's publishing date is finding somewhere to publish it... last I heard, there were no firm plans for 'Legends 3'. But George intends to write another seven (making nine in all!), and will find somewhere to publish them, I think.

Blackfish: Sansa's attitude to Jon (& vice versa) can only be inferred from a couple of tidbits. I'm trying to recall the exact details, but there is a reference to some piece of advice she gave Jon about how to behave to girls somewhere, which suggests they were if not close then at least on far better terms than he and Cat were.

 

[ChasenFate]

Cersei has had a lot of thoughts about Maggy the Frog and what she told her. She said someone more pretty would take it from her. Cersei thinks it is Margery, but Cersei seems to ignore all the talk of dragons. So Dany shall remove Cersei in the future, maybe with Victorian. If she lasts that long, she may extinguishherself.

 

[asdar]

You all are sicker than I am. Jon and Arya are brother and sister for goodness sake! I mean emotionally, Sansa and Jon never saw eye to eye.






Edit: I intended this with some mild humor, I don't really think you're all sicko's. Just the people that liked Cat, you all are definitely sicko's.

 

[ChasenFate]

Didn't stop Cersei and Jamie.

 

[asdar]

Well, back to Sansa and Jon a bit, the thing that got me thinking about them was when the older lady said Ned's ******* was leading the black brothers and Sansa answered, "Jon Snow," it also mentioned how nice it would be to see Jon Snow again.

I'd say Sansa has realized how petty her treatment of him was.

I don't actually think that's in the outer realm of possible, It was just a random thought. It's one of the reasons this is my favorite series. Every page seems to spawn a thousand possible branches of possibility.

 

[AryaUnderfoot]

Sansa's time spent as a "*******" just might make her warm up to Jon, anyway.

As for Jon and Arya, it's true that they were closer but I don't see how that would be any more nasty than Jon and Sansa being a couple. They'll be grown up and two entirely changed people when/if they ever meet again.

Either way, I'm really not into the incest thing anyway. And I don't think Jon will love again.

 

[ChasenFate]

Hey may do it for duty. He did sleep with the wildling girl as not balking what he was asked to do. Ride with them, eat with them, do whatever it takes. Become one of them. He did fall for her and loved her in the end.

 

[Rahl Windsong]

Well actually I am about 250 pages in, so I never read this thread I will reply to it though. Judging by the title the orignal poster thinks this book is a poor one. So far I have loved it, however the only part that bother me is this.

In all the other books the entire story was told, not just part of the seven kingdoms. This book, even though Mr Martin thinks otherwise, suffers because the best part of this story is missing. What that? Beyond the Wall, the magic is all missing and not just the magical magic but the magic of this wonderful song, its not in this book because he is not telling the whole story no matter how much he insists he is.

Luckily the game of thrones is interesting enough for me that I still love this book but make no mistake, Geoarge RR Martin made a terrible mistake the way he published this book in my humble oppinion, because the magic is gone from the Song in this Feast.

Rahl