The Dragon Has Three Heads

[TK-421]

OK, I'll try this one, even though I think Aegon is dead:

AEGON IS QUENTYN!

I think in age they are close.
Quentyn was sent to foster at a young age and has been out of sight.
Doran could of easily claimed his as his son. I mean Dorne is somewhat isolated from the rest of the kingdom and the usurpers stopped at King's Landing.
Quentyn is on his way to Dany, his cousin. Targs have a thing for inbreeding.

I await the deluge...

 

[Boaz]

Tysha, You say Jaqen is there to protect Alleras and you admit that Aegon's physical features are Targaryenish. Do you think a Faceless Man could change the appearance of another person? Could Jaqen make Aegon look darker?

TK, I'll start with a trickle. But let me also say, that I like looking under every rock...

First, just a small error. Dany would be Aegon's aunt.

I think Quentyn may be up to four years older than Aegon. This is just my feeling from reading, I don't know Quentyn's actual age.

I don't have any contrary evidence and you don't have any pro, so the whole thing seems possible. BUT, we do know that Doran was going to have Arianne marry Viserys. Now he has plans on Dany. Exactly, how many Targaryens was Doran planning on crowning?

If Doran had Viserys, Dany, and Aegon he'd have to kill either Viserys or Aegon eventually. The beauty of Alleras=Aegon is that Oberyn had Aegon and this was unknown to Doran... each of the Martell brothers had a Targaryen heir in the bag with which to avenge their sister, but neither let the other one in on his plan.

Doran planning for Aegon and Viserys runs into the same problem I have with Illyrio. In my thoughts, Illyrio knew of and was planning for the return of Viserys, Danaerys, Aegon, Jon, and Tyrion.... someone make the voices stop!!! It's just too complicated. It's too many pieces for even an adept player to manage in the Game of Thrones.

 

[TK-421]

Well, Viserys backfired obviously and he and Illyrio and Varys probably knew all along it would. Too much Aerys in that one.

Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering! I sense much fear in you.

Oh, and sorry, I do not have my Targaryen family tree handy...

 

[Tysha]

Tysha, You say Jaqen is there to protect Alleras and you admit that Aegon's physical features are Targaryenish. Do you think a Faceless Man could change the appearance of another person? Could Jaqen make Aegon look darker?.

No. I don't think so.

Doran planning for Aegon and Viserys runs into the same problem I have with Illyrio. In my thoughts, Illyrio knew of and was planning for the return of Viserys, Danaerys, Aegon, Jon, and Tyrion.... someone make the voices stop!!! It's just too complicated. It's too many pieces for even an adept player to manage in the Game of Thrones.

I agree.
There are a lot of good medicines for the voices, you know

 

[Tysha]

Well, Viserys backfired obviously and he and Illyrio and Varys probably knew all along it would. Too much Aerys in that one.

That's true.
I think that Cersei and Viserys would be a better twins than her and Jaime, they have so much in common

Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering! I sense much fear in you.

 

[Aegon the Unworthy]

. I know my explanation quite unsatisfying, BUT, I still think it was a good theory (R.I.P.), logic and interesting, and if I'm the only one to think so, so be it.

You know I just want to publicly say I really enjoyed this last 5 pages or so of this theory. Tysha very publicly defended her pet idea against all comers with quality lines of reasoning and deductiveness. Just because in the end she somewhat proved herself incorrect does not in any diminish the forethought and insight she showed in dreaming up this idea, establishing proofs for it, and defending it against the slobbering horde.

I salute you Tysha and hereby bestow upon you the official title of Theory Maestress....

Take it for what you will.

 

[Tysha]

You know I just want to publicly say I really enjoyed this last 5 pages or so of this theory. Tysha very publicly defended her pet idea against all comers with quality lines of reasoning and deductiveness. Just because in the end she somewhat proved herself incorrect does not in any diminish the forethought and insight she showed in dreaming up this idea, establishing proofs for it, and defending it against the slobbering horde.

I salute you Tysha and hereby bestow upon you the official title of Theory Maestress....

Take it for what you will.

LOL wow, thanks.

 

[Boaz]

I still kind of like the theory... I've never let logic or facts dissuade me in my pursuit of cracked pots.

 

[the smiling weirwood]

It was a very nice theory and much more believable than some of the things Boaz has thrown out over the years.

 

[Boaz]

Why is everybody always picking on me?

 

[Man of the North]

I was rereading the prologue for AFFC and Alleras features were "comely youth with a pointed chin, widow's peak, and a dense mat of close-cropped jet-black curls. His eyes were the color of onyx like the green marble sphinxes' that flanked the Citadel's main gate. His skin was the color of teak."

Now, Onyx is a cryptocrystalline form of quartz, which can be purple in color. And his color of skin, teak, is light brown. So if Aegon is Alleras, it could be possible given the description provided from the book. He has the purple eyes of the Targaryen, dark hair like Elia, and skin color like his mother.

 

[Aegon the Unworthy]

Yet again...its all about you Boaz.

Cryptocrystalline? Is that a word? I can make up fake words too.....Smirnifdum...there, see how easy it is?

Just kidding by the way, I did have to look that up so I guess I learned something new today. Its not the eye color for me thats a sticking point. Eye color is just not that absolute a trait. Its circumstansial evidence at best but I could see how it would be important. I guess its one of those things that will lead one to make a conclusion but is not conclusive.

Now the real question is, how does this support my Alleras=Sarella=Aegon idea (Notice not a theory, that implies some sort of tangible support)

Welcome to the forum by the way, Man o'.....beware of Boaz

 

[Boaz]

Welcome MotN!

This thread should be renamed The Dragon has a whipping boy.

Anyway, neither Wert nor Raven ever chimed in on Tysha's hypothesis (you like the work hypothesis, right Egg?). I think this backs my claim that Tysha=Wert/Raven=Martin. The author has Three Heads!

Okay, I admit I've got nothing new to contribute... just nonsense.

 

[Tysha]

WEEEE! Man of the North you are SO welcome
But unfortunately it is a black Onyx we are talking about, there is a place (the last chapter I think) where it is said that Alleras has BLACK eyes...
Boaz - A whipping boy is a boy that people CARE about, THAT his purpose - they CARE and don't want him to be whipped, that means everybody love Boaz.

 

[Boaz]

You like me. You really like me!

MotN, if you have other observations, by all means post them immediately so that we can blast... uh, I mean correct... ummmmm, I meant to say we'll happily explore the possibilities with you.

It's so hard to be mean spirited when you're listening to Nat King Cole.

Seriously, MotN, there are nineteen pages of threads regarding Martin's work, albeit mostly concerning ASOIAF. Feel free to look up any of your ideas against old threads and compare, and then revive old threads... but definitely feel free to start new threads! I've started a number of new threads that go something like this...

Boaz: Hey I just had an original thought concerning Tyrion...

Aegon: Sorry to burst your bubble, but that has already been discussed in these threads. Link. Link.

TK: Yeah, Boaz, in fact you posted on both of those threads.

WS: Actually Boaz was on the other side of the argument in those old threads... now he's switched positions.

Boaz: DOH! Would a moderator please destroy this thread and put me out of my misery... please.

But don't let that dissuade you from the glory of having an idea that the crowd does agree with. Something like this...

GRRM has been setting us up with the obvious comparisons between Loras and Jaime. Both are gorgeous, rich, tremendous fighters, knights at a young age, Kingsguards at a young age, sisters as Queens, and whispers about their sexual liasons. Finally both seemed to have been maimed. But will Loras' burns make him like Jaime or will Loras' burns make him the new Hound?

Loras has an older brother who is better with a sword and who is now a powerful lord. I'm speaking of Garlan. Could Garlan and Loras be the new Gregor and Sandor?

 

[Aegon the Unworthy]

Boaz....Im offended....

I would never say Sorry....Im always ecstatic about bursting your bubble.

Heres my recent scenario (err hypothesis) concerning the knight of flowers....

You know how Cersei kind of hoisted herself on her own petard with insisting Maergy be defended by a Kingsguard? Well Qyburn has a body down there in the dungeon looking for a way to be animated....what if he comes to Cersei and says I can use the mind or soul or whatever of Loras to animate the construct and be your champion. Cersei could then tell the people its Loras returned by magic or merely appoint monstrosity into the Kingsguard and armor him up so people wont see him.

Now I dont think its neccessarily going to be so but I think the church will not appoint their own champion, but rather because Cersei is Maergies accuser, allow their respective champions to duke it out....except Maergy doesnt really have a member of the Kingsguard to be her champion....unless you count Jaime who just returned to Kings Landing to tell Cersei to go <expletive deleted> herself. Da da duh......Jaime fights the evil monstrosity and wins by some small miracle allowing the valonqar prophecy and the young queen prophecy to be fulfilled at the same time.

I shall now bask in your adoration....

Hey....whats with everyone holding rocks?....hey! no stoning! Wait, I offer you free coupons to Starbucks....ouch that hurt! No stonings damnit....its against forum rules. Except Boaz....stone him, hes the whipping boy.

 

[Man of the North]

I was just making a guess and grasping at some straws that Alleras is actually Aegon, because I don't see Martin making him a main character this late in the series. But there is a problem for Dany though, she needs two more heads for her dragons. I can see that Jon could be from Rheagar, so he could be one. Do they have to have Targaryen blood? Does Martin actually say in any of the books? I didn't see anywhere the first time through, but like most of you here I am going for a second round to help figure things out.

Dany needs to worry ore about controling her dragons soon because it looks like from the spoilers that they are getting out of control. She is going to be the Queen of the Burnt subjects if she doesn't watch out.

Tryion is not from Targaryen blood because he is the result of Tywin lust for power not love. That is what really killed his wife. But Tywin got it in the end didn't he.

But from the spoilers, I think Tyrion is going to help Dany train them. Partly from the message received from that lady in her dreams. I don't think a lion was one of the segals she needed to worry about. I just can't wait until ADWD comes out to really get the plot lines going.

 

[Boaz]

Egg, I'm the whipping boy, not the stoning boy. So if everyone will please redirect their aim to Aegon, I'd be most grateful.

MotN, When you say you don't "see Matin making him (Alleras) a main character this late in the series" do you mean getting a POV or becoming a major influence on the storylines regarding The Iron Throne and The Other?

It's been reported that GRRM stated in a Con or on his website that the three heads need not be Targs. I'm sure this information is somewhere in the first nine pages of this thread... my apologies for not narrowing it down further.

In my opinion, Tywin got it in the middle.

As for the idea that Tyrion will be the dragon's trainer... I like it. I don't recall that particular angle being brought up before. But with the Dany spoiler chapter revealing the lack of control that Dany has with Drogon, Tyrion training them makes sense. But making the transition from possessing volumes of knowledge about dragons to actually training them will be a big step for Tyrion.

 

[Man of the North]

I don't see Alleras being nothing more than a supporting character for Samwell. I fairly certain he will not get a POV. He will be Sam's teacher and friend at the Citadel. But does he have other goals, maybe since he is really close with Archmaester Marwyn, he has been given instructions on what he should be doing while the Archmaester is absent. I can't say right now for certain.

But Tyrion is going to be the first to arrive at Dany's doorstep, so I believe she is going to trust him. Which will be a good thing to do, Dany is a good woman, but a poor leader and even a poorer dragon trainer. She is going to need Tyrion's consuel on all things. I see her making him one of the riders she is searching for lately. But I do see Tyrion is going to have a hard time trying to control the dragons, since it would be easier if they started a lot younger and smaller. Tyrion is crafty, he will find a way to train them. Or die trying!

 

[Hagar]

The Dragon has three heads
1. Dany
2. Jon (Son of Rhaegar and Lyanna)
3. Aegon (Rhaegar's son who is not dead as it is believed) also known as Alleras the Sphinx.

i'm not sure about Jon as a dragon rider (though I believe he is lyanna & rhaegar's son)
Sphinx can not be aegon - "his father was dornishman, his mother a black skinned summer islander. his own skin was DARK AS TEAK" (AFFC) - does it sound like someone with targ blood? yes, sphinx is sallera.
now, QUENTYN MARTELL could actually be Aegon. He has dornish looks after his mother. he was saved and sent as a foster child to yronwood ("the prince had been fostered by lord Yronwood from a tender age" - AFFC) while some other baby was killed instead, presumably a Dayne, who actually DO look like targaryens, with purple eyes and silver hair. furthermore, the dayne baby might have been Ashara Dayne's and eddard stark's son, which is why ashara threw herself from the tower.