The Dragon Has Three Heads

If Sansa marries Harry the Heir (who will presumably become an Arryn by adoption or something, or even if not his house's symbol still has some sort of eagle wings in it if I remember correctly) then she would be an Arryn, or at least the Lady of the Vale, and would thus qualify as part of what you just put forth.

I think Sansa would be in an excellent position to ally with Dany. Sure, she's a former Stark, but now she hates the Lannisters more than any other POV character and may possibly be in the best position to assume power she could wield against them.
 
And if Tyrion is the Lannister then we have the problem of her being married to Tyrion and Harry...I know, not consummated....

It works, since Sansa no longer has her wolf. We should make a long term predictions thread.

For example, my take on Arya.

I think she will prove to not be cut out for the faceless men. She can't let go of her real identity. She will be shown that she is a warg by someone, and that will be the means to the power she craves. And like the wildling, she will be able to control many animals at one time. In fact, she will control the entire wolf pack that is patrolling the river lands. Eventually her group will be joined to whatever force Bran musters, and with whatever becomes of Rickon.

No prediction of how this works in conjunction with Dany. ???
 
As I mentioned on another thread, my so-far-off-the-Wall-it's-in-southern-Essos theory is that the three heads are those able to warg into, and thereby control, Dany's dragons.

How they match up to the Houses, I'm not sure, but Jon may be a Targ. As for Bran and Arya (or Sansa), goodness or otherwise knows.


Then again, perhaps the Sphinx business doesn't refer to the Houses at all, but something we don't yet know or comprehend.
 
Or, maybe Alleras/Sarella is going to be much more important then anyone realizes.

If Sam realizes that the Sphinx (Alleras/Sarella) is a riddle, he'll want to solve it. If he solves it, maybe that puts him in, and by extension Jon, in contact with the Martells, and by extension, Dany?

I don't know. I like the shape of that, it seems really odd that the two sphinx references in AFfC wouldn't be connected... But why would Aemon know anything about the sphinx. I feel like there's another piece I'm missing.

Thoughts anybody?
 
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Could it be possible that the Sphinx is Bran? Jergen calls him the winged wolf, and that he has the third eye.

Just thinking out loud.....
 
The more i read ACOK i'm starting to think that

Danny is definately the mother of the dragons, but she may not neccessarily be one of the three heads. What if she is the Queen and the three heads of the dragon would be like her Queensgaurd so to speak....

It was kinda of spooky as well when Danny looked in the room to see a King with a wolf's head (Rob) staring at her.

The only thing that sucks is that we have to speculate on half of the infromation being provided. Even when ADWG is released we wont be any further into the storyline (timeline) as it will be the other half of AFFC. So we're probably still 4-5 years away from any real story development if you're not counting the information we get from ADWD, just more speculation. Nevertheless, i'm going to enjoy the journey. :)
 
I fear you will be waiting forever.

Mr. Martin is busying himself with more and more side activities. The next book after ADWD might be 10 more years.

Remember, this book (ADWD) was partially written when AFfC was released, and it has been 5 years since that one.
 
TPA said:
I fear you will be waiting forever.

Mr. Martin is busying himself with more and more side activities. The next book after ADWD might be 10 more years.

Remember, this book (ADWD) was partially written when AFfC was released, and it has been 5 years since that one.
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I think if you look at GRRM's work in the context of other authors it won't seem that impossible.

First, from what I remember reading, ADWD has been pretty much a start from scratch endeavor, rather than just cleaning up and finishing off what he was left with after splitting AFFC. Also, as we all know, he wrote himself into a corner and has been having huge timeline issues with the Dany sections.

Second. GRRM himself admits that he isn't as prolific as other writers, and he's right, but I think that is in part to the fact that he's always had other things going on, plus, he doesn't write when he's on the road. My belief is that he will move ASOIAF to the front burner, maybe the only burner, when it occrs to him that he needs to. I'm only a few months younger than GRRM, and I know that he has to be looking ahead and thinking about how much prductive time he has left. He'd have to be a complete idiot if he weren't Even writing at the rate of 25 pages a day, it wouldn't take that long to knock out a few books if his feet were being held to the figurative fire. the point is, I think he could speed things up in a hurry if he needed/wanted to

Third, we can't assume that he has 2 books go go after ADWD. He may have already completed chunks of the next book, possibly even the last. Who knows where he may have gone during times that he's been unable to untie the Meereenese knot.

Maybe it's wishful thinking, but I think we'll see an end to the series a lot sooner than most think.
 
The Imp said:
Maybe it's wishful thinking, but I think we'll see an end to the series a lot sooner than most think.
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I hope so, otherwise if it's another 10 years of breaking down theories on this forum, I would like to put my bid in for TK-421, to be nominated for the lifetime moderator achievment award ;)
 
How kind, Lord Snow, but I am not a moderator. Just someone who can do some research to remind people of past discussions. Most ignore the links I post, but once in a while, someone bites. Mrs. TK can attest that this is part of my witty, charming and modest self.

Seriously, back to the discussion at hand (before the real moderators get annoyed with me). Sansa is definetly one of the Heads of the Dragon. She is best natural fit beyond her husband, Tyrion.
 
Aegon the Conqueror and his sisters, Visenya and Rhaenys (iirc) were the original three heads. If Dany is to repeat this invasion with three dragons, then not only does she need two more riders but they need to be her siblings. We know that Daenerys' two older brothers, Rhaegar and Viserys, are dead. Baby Aegon, if he's still alive, is merely her nephew as is Jon in the R+L=J theory.

But if you could believe my Aerys+L=J and my Aerys+Joanna=Tyrion, then Dany does indeed have two older brothers (******* half brothers, albeit)... who (conviently enough) we already suspect may be heads of the dragon.

Any takers?
 
Sansa is definetly one of the Heads of the Dragon.
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Do you think the death of her wolf adds to or detracts from that role.

Seems like it sets her apart from her siblings. Kind of like it leaves her available for "other things".
 
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TK-421 said:
How kind, Lord Snow, but I am not a moderator. Just someone who can do some research to remind people of past discussions. Most ignore the links I post, but once in a while, someone bites. Mrs. TK can attest that this is part of my witty, charming and modest self.

Seriously, back to the discussion at hand (before the real moderators get annoyed with me). Sansa is definetly one of the Heads of the Dragon. She is best natural fit beyond her husband, Tyrion.
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Well you definately have a nack for consolidating the discussions into a few links, which have helped me and others as well discuss and debunk theories.

Sansa? Hmmm, not sure about that one, but who knows. Even though i would like to think that one of the other dragons could be female. I personally would keep my guesses limited to the bastards from the Targ and Barathean bloodline for a possible dragon theory.

With all of the theories that we have broken down, i'm afraid George may not even be able to surprise us unless:

1) he adds additional character development for the current possibilities
2) bring in a wildcard character
3) we find out someone has been dying there hair all along or purposely going bald alla Egg :D
4) or leaves it wide open in the end, "for you to draw your own conclusions" (bittersweet ending as he mentioned)


I would be highly disappointed if the remaining books turn out like how the Dark Tower Series which kind of went in a totally different direction from the first few books of the series.

The only reason i referenced the DT Series is because of the long wait between, in which it gives the fans too much time to speculate with a fine tooth comb and it would lose its novelty when the dragons or other open ended plots are in fact introduced.

I'm sure George reads all of the theories and probably has read the answers to his theories and has to change it up a bit, unless he just has the beginning and the end done, but can't tie everything together.

He also may be just milking his newfound success by releasing/working on all of his other pieces of work while the iron is still hot so to speak. I'm sure everyone can agree that the anticipation is getting stronger rather that weaker in waiting for the next book release, especially with HBO onboard.

TK-421, since you have been helpful in providing links, can you point me to a link that may have all of the possible bastards or other characters that can be one of the dragons, with the reasoning either way for each?

For example, something like:

Aurane Waters: reminded Cersie of Rhaegar (best choice)
Gentry: Robert's ******* (Barathean bloodline, but not likely)
 
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xLORDSNOWx said:
Well you definately have a nack for consolidating the discussions into a few links, which have helped me and others as well discuss and debunk theories.

Sansa? Hmmm, not sure about that one, but who knows. Even though i would like to think that one of the other dragons could be female. I personally would keep my guesses limited to the bastards from the Targ and Barathean bloodline for a possible dragon theory.

With all of the theories that we have broken down, i'm afraid George may not even be able to surprise us unless:

1) he adds additional character development for the current possibilities
2) bring in a wildcard character
3) we find out someone has been dying there hair all along or purposely going bald alla Egg :D
4) or leaves it wide open in the end, "for you to draw your own conclusions" (bittersweet ending as he mentioned)


I would be highly disappointed if the remaining books turn out like how the Dark Tower Series which kind of went in a totally different direction from the first few books of the series.

The only reason i referenced the DT Series is because of the long wait between, in which it gives the fans too much time to speculate with a fine tooth comb and it would lose its novelty when the dragons or other open ended plots are in fact introduced.

I'm sure George reads all of the theories and probably has read the answers to his theories and has to change it up a bit, unless he just has the beginning and the end done, but can't tie everything together.

He also may be just milking his newfound success by releasing/working on all of his other pieces of work while the iron is still hot so to speak. I'm sure everyone can agree that the anticipation is getting stronger rather that weaker in waiting for the next book release, especially with HBO onboard.

TK-421, since you have been helpful in providing links, can you point me to a link that may have all of the possible bastards or other characters that can be one of the dragons, with the reasoning either way for each?

For example, something like:

Aurane Waters: reminded Cersie of Rhaegar (best choice)
Gentry: Robert's ******* (Barathean bloodline, but not likely)
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What Stepehen King did with The Dark Tower series post Wizard and Glass disappointed many people, but the big difference between King and GRRM is that King was involved in that terrible accident, nearly died, and it clearly affected his writing. It was almost two different people doing the writing, and I think something happened to his creative muse while he wasn't writing. He had even been talking about retiring for a while. GRRM at least has continuity going for him, and quite frankly, I think he is a more focused and careful writing than King ever was. I saw this btw with King still being one of my favorite authors. At least the pre-accident King was. Anyhow, I'm not worried about that happening with GRRM.
 
xLORDSNOWx said:
TK-421, since you have been helpful in providing links, can you point me to a link that may have all of the possible bastards or other characters that can be one of the dragons, with the reasoning either way for each?

For example, something like:

Aurane Waters: reminded Cersie of Rhaegar (best choice)
Gentry: Robert's ******* (Barathean bloodline, but not likely)
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Now you flatter me. Well, I do not recall any thread with all the bastards in it. This one we are on now is quite lengthy and almost goes through all the possibilities.

This is as close as one gets:
http://www.sffchronicles.co.uk/forum/47411-3-heads-of-a-dragon-and-heirs.html?highlight=bastards

For Gendry, there is:
http://www.sffchronicles.co.uk/forum/524830-gendry-speculation.html?highlight=bastards
http://www.sffchronicles.co.uk/forum/6850-gendry.html?highlight=bastards

For Auranne, there is:
http://www.sffchronicles.co.uk/forum/32293-aegon-just-a-lame-thought.html?highlight=bastards
http://www.sffchronicles.co.uk/forum/51618-who-really-is-aurane-waters.html?highlight=aurane

For Jon, there is:
http://www.sffchronicles.co.uk/forum/4246-spoilers-theory-on-jon.html?highlight=bastards
http://www.sffchronicles.co.uk/foru...-may-contain-spoilers.html?highlight=bastards
http://www.sffchronicles.co.uk/foru...stion-regarding-r-l-j.html?highlight=bastards
http://www.sffchronicles.co.uk/foru...s-a-conspiracy-theory.html?highlight=bastards
http://www.sffchronicles.co.uk/forum/49243-i-get-the-r-l-j-theory-but.html?highlight=bastards
http://www.sffchronicles.co.uk/forum/43957-jon-and-dany.html?highlight=bastards

For Tyrion, there is:
http://www.sffchronicles.co.uk/forum/42812-why-say-tyrions-a-targ.html?highlight=bastards
 
TK-421 said:
Now you flatter me. Well, I do not recall any thread with all the bastards in it. This one we are on now is quite lengthy and almost goes through all the possibilities.

For Jon, there is:
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Wow, as always thanks TK. This should keep me busy for awhile. This is a feast for thoughts :D Just on first glance, I'm now wondering if Jon is the one Mellisandre wants instead of the babe and Maester Aemon in which he sent away. (even though I think she needed a baby to sacrifice, he sent Maester Aemon away as well nonetheless). Interesting.....

Thanks again....
 
Wouldn't it be interesting if young Ned who was with Arya and Jon (who shared the same wetnurse, Willa) was swapped at birth and that was the promise Lyanna had Eddard keep? I'm thinking Eddard Stark's son may have been the young Ned and was warded to someone else (can't remember young Neds backstory off the top of my head) Jon TPTWP was given to Eddard in exchange.

and the speculation continues.....
 
I have just finished AFFC for the second time (I liked it much better during the second read, though I cannot say why) and I have a few thoughts.

Firstly I am now completely positive that Aurane Waters is a Targaryen. Cersei makes a lot of noise about how much he looks like Rhaegar, and his sudden disappearance when Cersei gets imprisioned leads me to believe he is taking his new fleet to slavers bay(It seems that is where everyone is heading). I am not sure who his father could be, perhapes a ******* son to Rhaegar, or Aegon, he is young enough to be either. That's my belief anyway.

Secondly I am thinking Victarion will be the third of Dany's betrayerals. The old for blood was the Maegi to be sure, and gold is obviously Ser Jorah, which leaves only for love. Since Victarion seeks to marry Dany, and since he has "bad luck" with wives it stands to reason he might be the third. (Either that or the Maester Marywn, or that sell sword whose name I can't remember. Though Victarion is the mostly likely choice IMO)

Thirdly Littlefinger is a genius. I thought he was the first time I read it, but the second time I was just amazed at what I missed, I mean seriously.

Fourthly I am thinking Arya will return to Westeros, and reunite with her Direwolf. Since George R.R. Martin says all the Stark children are wargs I am thinking Nymeria will act as Arya's eyes. What with her being blind and all.

Also I am fairly sure Jon will be the third head of the dragon. I have always been of the belief that he was not Ned's son but Lyanna's and Rhaegar's. But that remains to be seen.

By the way, I never realized how badly Cersei screwed herself. God Save Us From The Queen indeed.

Those are my thoughts after reading AFFC again. I am betting most of those theories have been said before. Also how come Stannis hasn't burned Jon Snow yet? He's looking so hard for "king's blood" he is attempting to set Mance Rayder a flame, and yet he ignores Snow who is the brother to a King, and since Rob declared jon his heir is technically king himself. Would have been my first choice anyway.
 
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