The Revived Tolkien Trivia

[hopewrites]

*thinks harder*
I cant recall any point where the ring had a bearer and was in need of unearthing.
Have I atleast got the right book? I assume the refrence comes from one of the times Gandolf is giving the history of the ring. Ether to Frodo in his home before he is admonished to leave or at the council in Rivendel.
I'd hate to get credit for an answer that wasnt exactly right...

 

[Corbier]

I can tell you Frodo isn't even near when Gandalf lectures us, neither is the Ring for that matter...

 

[Pyan]

*thinks harder*
I cant recall any point where the ring had a bearer and was in need of unearthing.
Have I at least got the right book? I assume the refrence comes from one of the times Gandolf is giving the history of the ring. Ether to Frodo in his home before he is admonished to leave or at the council in Rivendel.
I'd hate to get credit for an answer that wasnt exactly right...

Sorry, hope, it's quite a lot later than that. You're on the right lines about Gandalf lecturing someone about the Ring, though...

I can tell you Frodo isn't even near when Gandalf lectures us, neither is the Ring for that matter...

No, they're both at least 15 leagues away, across the Anduin, approaching Shelob's Lair...

Gandalf, Faramir and Pippin are in Denethor's private chamber in Minas Tirith: Gandalf is warning Denethor that hiding the Ring would do no good in the long run:

Were it buried beneath the roots of Mindolluin, still it would burn your mind away, as the darkness grows...

RotK, Book Five, Chapter IV, The Siege of Gondor

 

[hopewrites]

Ah! See. I didnt think to look there. That book isnt packed, so I'm glad it didnt go to me. I was barking up the wrong end of the tree

 

[Corbier]

That's it, Mr Pyan! Your go.

 

[Pyan]

Right, my precioussesss...

The history of Middle-earth up to the end of the Third Age is an era where ranged weapons are bows and spears, and the sword is the main weapon of choice: nevertheless, can you tell me where to find the two references to guns in the stories?

 

[Corbier]

I only know of one

The roar of his [Beorn's] voice was like drums and guns; and he tossed wolves and goblins from his path like straws and feathers.

The Hobbit, chapter 18: The Return Journey.

I will try to come up with the second one, but if someone beats me to it, thread will be hers or his of course.

 

[Pyan]

Yup, that's one - there is another...

 

[Corbier]

And this is two!

"Carefully! Carefully!" he said. "It is not like you, Bilbo, to keep friends waiting on the mat, and then open the door like a pop-gun! Let me introduce Bifur, Bofur, Bombur, and especially Thorin!"

The Hobbit, chapter 1: An Unexpected Party

 

[Pyan]

Exellento! And it's your turn...

 

[Corbier]

This one might be stretching it, and I therefore apologise in advance.

Between which two "helms" is there apparently an understanding?

Because it's a tough one, I don't mind telling in what source you can find it if one was to require it.

 

[farntfar]

Is this the implied relationship between Torhthelm and Beorhthelm?

Torththelm is the mistrel who searches for and finds the body of Beorhtnoth on the field of the battle of Malden in Tolkien's translation of the poem "The homecoming of Beorhtnoth, Beorhthelm's son"

Beorhthelm was the Duke of Essex during the reign of Aethelred II, and his son Beorhtnoth was the general of his army at the battle of Malden against the vikings in 991.
He died in the battle, and his body was recovered by Torththelm and Tidwald, who took it to Ely abbey. (Quite a long way away in what is now northern Cambridgeshire)
Beorhthelm doesn't actually seem to appear in the poem except in reference, which is why you say "apparent". (I hope )

So for Beorhtnoth, who was a good Essex boy, the only way was Ely.

 

[Corbier]

I don't think "The Homecoming of Beorhtnoth Beorthelm's Son" is allowed in this quiz, is it, Mr Pyan?

 

[farntfar]

Well. Whether it's allowed or not, it's clearly not what you were looking for.

I'll keep looking.

 

[Pyan]

I don't think "The Homecoming of Beorhtnoth Beorthelm's Son" is allowed in this quiz, is it, Mr Pyan?

Erm, I'm pretty sure not, I'm afraid.

The books allowed are:

• The Hobbit
• The Lord of the Rings (including appendices, etc)
• The Silmarillion
• The Children of Húrin
• The Letters of JRR Tolkien
• Unfinished Tales of Númenor and Middle-earth

Not allowed (unless I get a really overwhelming majority to include any of them)

• Translations of prose and poetry from "real" languages.
• Farmer Giles, Leaf by Niggle, The Lay of Aotrou and Itroun, Tree and Leaf, Smith of Wootton Major, The Road Goes Ever On, The Adventures of Tom Bombadil and Other Verses from the Red Book, The Homecoming of Beorhtnoth Beorhthelm's Son, Songs for the Philologists, and Bilbo's Last Song.
• The Father Christmas Letters
• Any poetry that's not from a book in the permitted section.
• Anything from The History of Middle-earth, the twelve-volume series edited by CJR Tolkien

I'm willing to listen to arguments in favour of adding any of these, but Marky Lazer (who actually started the thread, nearly seven years ago (!)) and I decided that we wanted to keep it attractive to those who've read the main books, but hadn't gone any deeper into the mythos than that.

Good luck, and mára mesta, ar hantanyel órenyallo...

 

[farntfar]

No complaints from me.
I haven't read the last three in the allowed list, though some of the others.

So closer to home.

"There seemed to be some understanding between Dernhelm and Elfhelm, the Marshall who commanded the eored in which they were riding."
The ride of the Rohirrim!

Dernhelm was Eowyn in disguise, who carried Merry to Minas Tirith.

 

[Grimward]

Blast. Late to the party by 5 lousy minutes. Good job, far; that's where I was headed, too!

 

[Corbier]

That is correct, farntfar! You are allowed to ask a new question!

 

[farntfar]

Thanks Corbier.

It's all just a question of time zones Grim. If I'd still been in England, you would have beaten me by an hour. (Or more, because we wouldn't have had these cats, to get me up at such a ridiculous hour on a Sunday morning.)

OK.

Who's breathing was so load, that he could have been shot in the dark?

 

[Corbier]

I think you mean this as a trick question as the answer would be Gimli, if one had only seen the movies. In the books, it is Sam though, isn't it?

'Who are they, and what do they say?' asked Merry.
'They're Elves,' said Sam. 'Can't you hear their voices?'
'Yes, they are Elves,' said Legolas; 'and they say that you breathe so loud that they could shoot you in the dark.' Sam hastily put his hand over his mouth.

The Lord of the Rings, The Fellowship of the Ring, chapter 6: Lothlórien.