The Revived Tolkien Trivia

[Grimward]

*Fiery one's flames go green for a second...*

Well.

Anything that follows that is almost certain to be anti-climactic.

GH, Arvedui is a possibility I hadn't considered, and well-pondered.

Alas, he suffers from a similar issue concerning the manner of his death (unless we're to personify the ice in the bay of Forochel....or.....*really stretches* suggest that the entire reason there was ice there was due to a few additional quotes....)

Hmmm, am apparently at an impasse where there isn't precedent within this hallowed thread.

Why don't we give, say, another 48 hours to the possibility that someone will latch onto the idea....if not, we'll essay to resolve this mess at that point, shall we?!

One-word-hint: dorgon

 

[HareBrain]

Thanks for the hint Grim! (Nau-Grim? )

In that battle by Sarn Athrad Beren fought his last fight, and himself slew the Lord of Nogrod

Silmarillion, Ch22: "Of the Ruin of Doriath"

(I thought it had something to do with the Nauglamir but couldn't find it before)

 

[Grimward]

Naw,

Grim




Re the answer, though, Very good, HB. I know I asked for 2 quotes, but since Marky put you on the map...

*Grim's Groaning Chorus rolls over irritably and serves their purpose*

we need a tie breaker, as he grabbed the first and you the second. I will post it a little later on, so that he has a chance to see the update too, as he's not logged on today yet.

 

[Marky Lazer]

You can have the floor, HB.

 

[HareBrain]

Thanks, Marky - it'd probably be several days before either of us could answer Grim's tie-break anyway

My question is: Whose servants, we are told, matched their master in silence and secrecy?

 

[Grimward]

Naw (Grim), the tie-breaker was easy; merely placing our deceased Nogrodian Lord at the scene.

And, since it is the season, just to observe the formalities...

*A mithril bell of exquisite Norgrodian worksmanship materializes in Hare's hand*

 

[Pyan]

My question is: Whose servants, we are told, matched their master in silence and secrecy?

The servants of Eöl.

And it came to pass that he saw Aredhel Ar-Feiniel as she strayed among the tall trees near the borders of Nan Elmoth, a gleam of white in the dim land. Very fair she seemed to him, and he desired her; and he set his enchantments about her so that she could not find the ways out, but drew ever nearer to his dwelling in the depths of the wood. There were his smithy, and his dim halls, and such servants as he had, silent and secret as their master. And when Aredhel, weary with wandering, came at last to his doors, he revealed himself; and he welcomed her, and led her into his house. And there she remained; for Eöl took her to wife, and it was long ere any of her kin heard of her again.

Quenta Silmarillion - Chapter 16 - Of Maeglin

 

[HareBrain]

Well done, your festive-cosmic-horrorness. A bell made of galvorn for you - not, fortunately,a silent one - and the floor. Also made of galvorn, and very slippery, so watch yourself.

 

[Pyan]

I thank you!

My question is: from where does the world look wide and wild?

And no, it's not the same answer as any previous ones...

 

[Marky Lazer]

To North there lay the Land of Dread,
whence only evil pathways led
o'er hills of shadow bleak and cold
or Taur-na-Fuin's haunted hold,
where Deadly Nightshade lurked and lay
and never came or moon or day;
to South the wide earth unexplored
to West the ancient Ocean roared,
unsailed and shoreless, wide and wild;
to East in peaks of blue were piled
in silence folded, mist-enfurled,
the mountains of the Outer World.

The Lay of Leithian 49-60.

So the question... a few lines up, it says, "They dwelt amid Beleriand..."

 

[Pyan]

Sorry Marky, it wasn't the wide and wild ocean that I wanted...

 

[Clansman]

Naw (Grim), the tie-breaker was easy; merely placing our deceased Nogrodian Lord at the scene.

And, since it is the season, just to observe the formalities...

*A mithril bell of exquisite Norgrodian worksmanship materializes in Hare's hand*

Just a question. I thought mithril only came from Khazad-Dum. I'm not being pedantic, just curious.

 

[Grimward]

Technically, I think you're correct, although there is this:

...yet in the tempering of steel alone of all crafts the Dwarves were never outmatched even by the Noldor, and in the making of mail of linked rings, which was first contrived by the smiths of Belegost, their work had no rival.

and

...for the hauberks of the Dwarves were so fashioned that they rusted not but shone ever as if they were new-burnished.

Quenta Silmarillion, Chapter 10, Of the Sindar, p. 94

Just a hunch, but I don't think they were referring to stainless steel!

 

[HareBrain]

In any case, couldn't the dwarves of Nogrod have imported mithril ore from Khazad-Dum?

I like my mithril bell and I denounce any attempt to reduce its value by suggesting it is a fake!

 

[Pyan]

Just a question. I thought mithril only came from Khazad-Dum. I'm not being pedantic, just curious.

You're correct, Clannie...

The wealth of Moria was not in gold and jewels, the toys of the Dwarves; nor in iron, their servant. Such things they found here, it is true, especially iron; but they did not need to delve for them: all things that they desired they could obtain in traffic. For here alone in the world was found Moria-silver, or true-silver as some have called it: mithril is the Elvish name. The Dwarves have a name which they do not tell. Its worth was ten times that of gold, and now it is beyond price; for little is left above ground, and even the Orcs dare not delve here for it.

FotR - Book II - Chapter IV - A Journey in the Dark

Now, if we can get back to the matter in hand?....

 

[HareBrain]

Pyan, since you answered Clanny's question with the correct quote, it's your turn to ask a question. We'll, er, forget the previous one - which under rule 546a(ii) cannot be repeated.

 

[Pyan]

Eh? I've asked my question, and had one incorrect reply!

I refuse to relinquish the floor until I get satisfaction, d'you hear!

Or is it too hard for you, HB...(evil grin...)

 

[Werewoman]

Would you settle for something narrow and civilized??

I keep looking at high places that overlook wilderness or chaos. Tolkien was VERY fond of those.

sorry, bad grammar, 1:00 am on my side of the pond...

 

[Pyan]

He was that, WW - but I'm looking for a specific passage that uses those words...

 

[Werewoman]

yeah, I get that....

I wonder if I can still get into ERIC? Hmmmmm....it's been a few years....cheating is tempting.....