The Revived Tolkien Trivia

[Grimward]

Alas, naught but me, mein hare

(read: am quite sure others here have this one)

But dost thou not now remember, Kementári, that thy thought sang not always alone? Did not thy thought and mine meet also, so that we took wing together like great birds that soar above the clouds? That also shall come to be by the heed of Ilúvatar, and before the Children awake there shall go forth with wings like the wind the Eagles of the Lords of the West.'

The Silmarillion, Quenta Silmarillion, Ch. 2, Of Aulë and Yavanna

With apologies, between soccer coaching, basketball league formation, work and other such whatnots, haven't had the time to properly quote this! Am hoping 'tis what you're looking for.

*Steps outside with asbestos brush in fiery hand and paints the sign 'til it gleams like that outside The Green Dragon.*

 

[HareBrain]

Well done, Grim. That's the main quote I was after, in that it specifies the creature involved - though it doesn't tell us who "Air" and "Earth" are (as you seem to acknowledge). But there's no way I'm going to risk dragging this out any longer. In fact it's been so long, I can't remember what happens next. Something with a bell? And then ... you do something?

 

[Clansman]

*Steps outside with asbestos brush in fiery hand and paints the sign 'til it gleams like that outside The Green Dragon.*

Apparently fiery apparitions are immune to the effects of asbestos, but the rest of us do not enjoy such physical attributes.

*Clansman calls in the Amazing Asbestos Abatement Association to deal with stray particles of the mesothelioma-causing material*

"Sorry folks. This forum must be shut down for a week for asbestos abatement. Occupational Health and Safety regulations, y' know."

Thanks Grim. Thanks a lot.

 

[Pyan]

I think that all the regular contributors to this thread need to decide what they want from it - do you want obscurity to the point where no-one has a go at it, because they haven't the time or the inclination to go ratching through the books looking for the answer: or should the questions be a little easier (not too simple, but accessible) to increase the turnover of posts, and to attract new blood (I sometimes feel that anyone who's read the books, but aren't fanatics, will take one look and never return).

Discuss...

 

[Clansman]

Hmmm. On the one hand, it is "trivia" we are dealing with. On the other hand,Py has a point...

 

[Grimward]

Apparently fiery apparitions are immune to the effects of asbestos, but the rest of us do not enjoy such physical attributes.

*Clansman calls in the Amazing Asbestos Abatement Association to deal with stray particles of the mesothelioma-causing material*

"Sorry folks. This forum must be shut down for a week for asbestos abatement. Occupational Health and Safety regulations, y' know."

Thanks Grim. Thanks a lot.

*Replies in kindred spirit to sour grapes taunt*
Let's see....why, yes, I am immune to it herein, as are you (not a doctor, but I've yet to see a virus that introduces mesothelioma to your pc) and the others. Pyan, in particular, probably breakfasts on the stuff from time to time (when not chewing on souls, minions, etc.)....

And, just to complete the answer ('cuz I was tired last night), Manwe = Air/King, Yavanna=Earth/Queen. Hoping quotes aren't needed to substantiate these, per previous comment about not dragging things out, HB!

Will post next challenge this evening when my books are accessible.

P.S. "...obscurity to the point where no one has a go at it..." was my one misgiving about adding Unfinished Tales. I think we should wait a while before adding any more, since the History of Middle Earth (what I've finished of it, anyway) only becomes that much more obscure....

 

[HareBrain]

One man's obscure is another man's obvious. My own taste is for questions that don't rely on a word-by-word knowledge of the texts (I've only read LOTR three or four times, and the most recent was about ten years ago) but have an element of "working out" to them. I'd be happy to see the questions kept simpler if it did bring in new blood, but are there really many people who are reading this thread but not joining in because the questions are too obscure? If so, maybe they could chime in?

If my own question was the one that provoked Py's post, I'm surprised. I genuinely thought it would be fairly obvious (at least from my first clue) that we were talking about the Valar, and that the answer would probably lie within the first few pages of the Silmarillion. Heigh ho.

 

[Pyan]

Pyan, in particular, probably breakfasts on the stuff from time to time (when not chewing on souls, minions, etc.)....

Well, you've got to have some roughage in your diet...


Don't forget Unfinished Tales is now canon, Grimmy...

If my own question was the one that provoked Py's post, I'm surprised.

Not by itself, HB - but I have noticed that (a) we seem to have come down to a core of 3/4 players, and quite a few people have entered once and not returned, and (b) if the question isn't answered immediately, then there's a tendency for it to take ages for it to be answered at all. I just thought that more people and (slightly) simpler questions might re-popularise the thread...

 

[Grimward]

Noted, your greenness.

HB, I was pretty sure of that, but finding time when my brain wasn't mush (some may be startled to find that it occasionally departs from mush-state) to hunt down the quote (I couldn't remember if it was in Valaquenta or Quenta Silmarillion) was proving difficult...tolerably good question, and better than many of mine!

 

[Pyan]

If my own question was the one that provoked Py's post, I'm surprised.

Not by itself, HB - but I have noticed that (a) we seem to have come down to a core of 3/4 players, and quite a few people have entered once and not returned, and (b) if the question isn't answered immediately, then there's a tendency for it to take ages for it to be answered at all. I just thought that more people and (slightly) simpler questions might re-popularise the thread...

 

[Grimward]

*Takes the possible recollection of a bell, and the floor*

Fifth child of an elven boss
Far beyond sad sibling loss
With a final flash of glory
fades into the gathering night+

Who am I talking about? Needs two quotes, and is eminently discernible to the casual Tolkien reader without firing the new canon

+With apologies to Rush

 

[Clansman]

Grim! Mixing Tolkien and Rush! Well done! Well done indeed!

 

[Grimward]

We must compare notes some time, Clanny.

As for the rest of you, come one, come all. We don't bite, and we promise not to bark (even Marky, although he'd be well within his rights, given the late birthday wishes)

Sorry! Hope it was Grand!

 

[Marky Lazer]

Woof!!!

 

[Grimward]

Or not...

Come on, Chrons; we know someone has an inkling (pun offered to Ursa) about this one. You might even say it's as easy as looking in a mirror....

 

[Grimward]

OK, no takers. Perhaps if I said it rhymes with A-fad-we-smell?

 

[The Judge]

OK. I was pretty sure it was Galadriel even before the... er... rhyming clue. Trouble is, I have no idea of her parentage and lost siblings, nor where to find such info - so personally I think although the answer may seem to the eminently knowledgeable to be discernable to the casual reader, the finding of the quotes as required by the rules isn't. Perhaps that's an area which needs to be looked at if we are anxious to bring new blood into the thread?

Anyway, assuming that 'the final flash of glory' is literal rather than simply metaphorical for her part in the battle against Sauron, for what it's worth I can give two quotes for this bit of the clue from which you can take your pick:

"... the grey-cloaked people of Lorien rode rowards the mountains... until there came out of the gathering mist a flash; and then they saw no more. Frodo knew that Galadriel had held aloft her ring in token of farewell.' The Return of the King Chapter 6 'Many Partings'
This gives the 'flash' though to my mind it isn't 'final' since we see her again before the definitely metaphorical 'gathering night'.

or:
'Then Elrond and Galadriel rode on; for the Third Age was over, and the Days of the Rings were passed, and an end was come of the story and song of those times... [the Elves board the white ship]... and the sails were drawn up, and the wind blew, and slowly the ship slipped away down the long grey firth; and the light of the glass of Galadriel that Frodo bore glimmered and was lost.' Ibid. Chapter 9 'The Grey Havens'
No flash, but this is the final end.

Any good?

J

 

[Grimward]

'Tis Galadriel, and the first quote you offered is one of the twain, your honor. You all but have it; where might one look to see lineage?

 

[The Judge]

I've tried the appendices and can't find owt there. If it's in the Silmarillion or elsewhere, I shall have to wait for someone else to provide the relevant quote.

J

 

[Grimward]

*Faints*

*Comes to*

Might I suggest the local library?