SPOILERS: Theory on Jon

[AryaUnderfoot]

Plus, Stark traits can also be shown to be recessive - more so than Targaryens. Of Ned's five trueborn children, only one has Stark traits, the others all take after their mother. That's eighty percent recessive. So I'm sticking with Ned as Jon's father, or at the least, his father not being Rhaegar.

As I've said before, just because one out of five Stark children were born with Stark traits from Ned, doesn't mean that the first and only child borne by Lyanna wouldn't bear the same traits. Genetics don't stand in line and get picked by the team leader, with the weakest player being picked last.

 

[Raven]

WinterIsComing: the NW oath says nothing about the Wall. The Wall is a tool they use to fulfil their oath, not the oath itself. The NW oath is to protect the realm, and that remains whether the Wall does or not.

 

[Brian G Turner]

The wall wont be standing when Dany comes...so Jon will be released from his oath. The watch will be no more.

$10 says the Others are already past the Wall before Danaerys gets involved.

 

[AryaUnderfoot]

I see your bet, I, Brian, and I raise you a shiny nickel.

 

[red_temple]

I see your bet, I, Brian, and I raise you a shiny nickel.

I call foul!!!! Minimum raise is the amount of the previous bet.

 

[Brian G Turner]

Minimum bet is a shekel.

 

[AryaUnderfoot]

But shiny nickels are so pretty! How can you resist the shiny nickel?

 

[red_temple]

I suppose it depends on *how* shiny it is. Is it average shiny or really shiny?


Although I'd have to admit a shekel would be really cool.....

 

[AryaUnderfoot]

I suppose it depends on *how* shiny it is. Is it average shiny or really shiny?


Although I'd have to admit a shekel would be really cool.....

I'm talking magpie shiny... oh, and shekels are worth very little, aren't they?

Why not start it all off with a Valar Morghulis coin? I'd love to get my hands on one of those.

 

[red_temple]

Well, if you ever do get your hands on one of those coins, make sure you let me know. Then I'll make sure that I never, never p!ss you off...

 

[The Other]

Spoiler Warning.

As I see it, the story of Jon heritage is a mystery that would be solved sooner rather than later. His relationship with Dany (if there is any) may be revealed through other characters involved with each respective person. As most of you are aware, Dany is travelling with Baristan Selmy, a respected warrior and former knight of the Kingsguard.

My theory is that the role of the Kingsguard has a greater importance than one might originally believe. As it happened 3 out of the seven Kingsguard were present at the tower where Ned found Lyanna. One of the more common rumours floating around is "Why would there be Kingsguard, if there aren't any Kings or royalty to defend?" One possibility is that Jon was indeed the son of Rhaegar and were placed there to defend him (and Lyanna) from harm.

Selmy himself if a crucial role in this plot as throughout ASOS, Barristan frequently recalls memories of Rhaegar to Dany who is interested in he Mysterious brother. A member of the Kingsguard also defend the Kings secrets as well as his life. Rhaegar, as the heir to the throne may have declared the Kingsguard, the defenders of his secret and trusted his most loyal of them to protect what was most important to him.

Just my 2c. for now. I may make some more stuff up later.

 

[Max Clegane]

I've given this post a lot of thought and posted on a few other forums about it. There is still Maester Aemon up at the wall. He probably knows what happened to Rhaegal and Lyanna. I don't know if he had left the court to study to be a maester before all this happened. He explains it in a game of thrones but i can't remember the passage. Anyway that would make Jon and himself related so that may be why he took such a shine to him.

Uh, yeah. Maester Aemon left court a long, LONG time before the Rhaegar/Lyanna thing. He's like, a hundred... or as Lord Mormont put it, "...by this time Aemon had forged a half-dozen links of his maester's chain and NO I still hadn't been born yet." Best figuring for the Old Bear's age is around 60-70, which for medieval times is incredibly old. Aemon is freaky old for OUR time, much less in the days before proper sanitation.

He could still know quite a bit though, especially about "the prince who was promised" and suchlike, that Melisandre refers to in ASOS, and that the vision of Rhaegar referred to in ACOK. So, I'm counting on learning some info from Maester Aemon, but I really don't think he knows Jon's true parentage. Ten to one it comes out from either Howland Reed or Bran through some vision or another he gets.

 

[Brian G Turner]

Good call The Other - and welcome to the chronicles network.

Certainly Barristan has been placed in a very key position to influence events - he could well know the secret.

I still hold out that Maester Aemon represents more pictures of the puzzle left to fit together - old he may be - but this makes it all the more significant in that he can offer information and viewpoints not covered by the younger characters.

 

[AryaUnderfoot]

I still hold out that Maester Aemon represents more pictures of the puzzle left to fit together - old he may be - but this makes it all the more significant in that he can offer information and viewpoints not covered by the younger characters.

Let's just hope he lives long enough to pass on his wisdom. He's actually one of my favorite characters.

 

[Brian G Turner]

"pieces" not "pictures" of the puzzle - I should post less when tired.

And, yes - Maester Aemon is quite enigmatic.

 

[Frey Slayer]

He could still know quite a bit though, especially about "the prince who was promised" and suchlike, that Melisandre refers to in ASOS, and that the vision of Rhaegar referred to in ACOK. So, I'm counting on learning some info from Maester Aemon, but I really don't think he knows Jon's true parentage. Ten to one it comes out from either Howland Reed or Bran through some vision or another he gets.

Without going back and doing any data verification....do you think its possible that Benjen holds the key? I agree that at some point the truth must come out, but I cant see who it will be right now. Perhaps Varys? Maybe at some point he will bump into Danaerys? The Dunk & Egg stories brought out a lot how Egg was on some level physiologically different than Dunk (withstanding the heat..etc), perhaps if Jon meets Danaerys and there is some sort of interaction with the dragons?
Well, its all speculation at this point... but its fun!

 

[Lord Snow]

I myself think that Jon is Ned's son.It might be that Jon's mother died and she was Ned's true love,and it hurts him to think of her.As for Ned slipping on his honor,I think even great men can fall low at times.There are many other things there i won't go into now,but that's my thought.

 

[Culhwch]

I myself think that Jon is Ned's son.It might be that Jon's mother died and she was Ned's true love,and it hurts him to think of her.As for Ned slipping on his honor,I think even great men can fall low at times.There are many other things there i won't go into now,but that's my thought.

Hoorah! Someone who agrees with me! I'm in the Ned-as-Jon's-father camp, too, and it is definitely the minority around here...

 

[pyromancer]

He could still know quite a bit though, especially about "the prince who was promised" and suchlike, that Melisandre refers to in ASOS, and that the vision of Rhaegar referred to in ACOK

If the the vision in the house of the undying is true, Jon is not, his name, but something to conseal who he is. When Dany looks into a room she sees the red weddding and then sees rhaegar + Lyanna with a baby. the name escape me.

 

[Culhwch]

I thought she saw Rhaegar and Elia in the Red Keep, with baby Aegon (silver-haired, if I recall correctly?). But then I could be wrong. It's been known to happen, from time to time....