Honestly, why does George R.R. Martin hate his readers so?

I have to admit I was quite frustrated when Arya woke up blind. She's been through so much and she'd finally found a life for herself where she could be happy there in Braavos, she was friends with all the locals and seemed to be trucking along well. Damn it!
 
Personally I think the author, and in this case George RR Martin, most likely "weeps" more for that character when he kills them off, then you give him credit for. However, he does it because he loves his audience enough to realize they are not looking for the "Disney type" ending or any part of that, instead they are looking for a story that pulls no punches and tells it like it is. You win some, you loose some. Happens to me every day, only in stories it is usually a life or death situation and thats what keeps me reading.
 
One of the problems is: no conflict, no story--even with Disney. Happy and content can be boring and uneventful.

To make a story here, GRRM seems to be wiping out a lot of the older generation, or there would be no shoes for the next gen Starks, Lannisters or (insert the House of your choice) to fill.

If it is a tragedy, it won't have a happy ending, but it looks like it is intended to be mixed ending, with lots of scar tissue. If there is happiness at the end, the characters will have had to survive.

Who was it here, that pointed out: "It's a Civil War!" That was succinct!

Even though the look and feel of a Civil War may be there, I think this is pretty gentle compared to the real thing. One of the differences is that we get to know the character's stories.

GRRM has not put in a Plague(yet) that actually devastated the populace in a similar time, and it randomly killed a third of the people intermittently. Then there are other diseases, from the bad water and food. He's portrayed starvation but to be realistic he would have to show a lot of deaths that way.

There is lots of humour, but this is not a comedy.

Maybe Rickon is happy!
 
If Martin were dispatching his characters like a little kid with a magnifying glass pointed at an ant hill I would be just as disappointed as APurpleCow seems to be. But, to my way of thinking, every death, whether it be the noble Ned Stark or the humorless Tywin Lannister, has purpose.

At the start of the first novel there was order. There was no war, there was no strife. All the POV characters were going about their lives and, as far as I know, were content. Then Robert went north and, against his better instinct, Ned went south. And from that point on the pot began to boil.

I was stunned when Ned was beheaded. Like many of the contributors to this thread I was rather complacent in my science-fantasy reading. I was certain that Ned's life would somehow be spared. But it most graphically was not.

And then came the Red Wedding. The patriarch, the matriarch and the heir apparent of House Stark are all dead. Those left behind are young and weak and scattered, quite literally, to the four winds. Even if you consider Jon Snow a Stark by proxy (and I do) he to is severely limited by both his ******* birth and his allegiance to the Black Brothers.

To me this is the real story of ASOFAI. The destruction and, hopefully, the rebirth of House Stark. So I don't find the death of any character gratuitous or unnecessary. Death creates tension. Death creates uncertainty. Death creates chaos. And I believe death will also bring order back to the world of Westeros and ultimately Winterfell.
 
Really? I thought the North was pretty much out of the picture, Winterfell is crushed, winter is coming so it's going to be freaking freezing up there, and I don't think Roose Bolton's force (or his *******'s force) is going to be enough to hold it anyway.
 
I wonder how drastic the damage Loras suffered is. Will he be permanently disfigured, do you think? Maybe he will gain some measure of humility, like Jaime.

The theory I am currently endorsing is that Loras wasn't really injured. Tyrell bannermen were the only people there when he was supposedly injured. Lady Merryweather is loyal to Olenna Tyrell. She plants the idea of the plan for Cersei to expose Margery's infidelity and the word of Loras' injury makes Cersei feel safe in acting. Then the Tyrell's send word to the faith to torture the Kettleblack, Cersei is arrested, Loras shows up whole and healthy and champions Margery, Cersei dies, Margery is queen.

It's an interesting theory! I have my doubts though, mostly because relying on Loras is a risk (although he is VERY good, but combat is combat) and Olenna Tyrell doesn't seem one to take chances.
 
I definetly agree, Loras is nodoubt fine and taking a sword up the ass somewhere xD

Anyway the North isentout of the picture -yet- we've got Bran wandering about doing his random thing. Stannis is up at the wall with a sizable-ish force, that's gotta do something. (Well I know it does beacuse I've read both of Jon Snow's sample chapters xD)
 
The north isn't out. And once the Others take center stage it'll be about the time that Dany finally rides to Westeros on her dragons. It'll be the Targaryens (Dany and Jon) defending the smallfolk from the evil threat. Once Dany finds out that Jon isn't really a Stark, but a Targaryen too, it'll be all good.


This might sound dumb and I may be flamed, but don't you just see the small possibility of Jon and Dany restoring the Targaryen line? Maybe that is just too much to hope for... two of my favorite characters not murdering one another.
 
Except for the part where Jon is resolved to keep his vows after his transgressions with Ygritte. Fathering heirs to the realm is kind of the exact opposite of the spirit and wording of the vows. Not to mention that Dany is perhaps barren. I say perhaps because the maegi knew her death was coming and might have only been trying to cause Dany further pain, and also because she hatched dragons. If you can wake the long dead mythical beasts from their slumber, is anything truly out of reach?

My only real problem with people dying was Donal Noye. For everyone else there was a real reason, I felt Donal died just to make the Wall seem sad, as if it needed plot reinforcement for that.
 
I'd forgot all about Dany's womb. It is more than a possibility that in the end there won't be a need for the Night's Watch, therefore Jon's vows to a now disbanded brotherhood won't be of consequence. We know the confrontation with the Others is coming. We also know that more than likely R+L=J and that'll mean another Targaryen on the throne if things go like I hope. That'd fit with what Dunk wanted Aegon to experience, life as a hedge knight. How about life as a *******? That's some good, humbling experience of a future king.

I'm just rambling.
 
I think since Jon found a way around his vows with Ygritte, he'll be able to find a way around his vows with Danys. I also agree with KESpires about the Night Watch.
 
You're missing the point. Jon is an honorable man who takes his vows seriously. The words of the Night's Watch are no longer something to be circumvented for him, he wants to keep his oath.

In all honesty, that is the greatest barrier I see to any potential Dany+Jon relationship, not her barrenness but his honor. He is very much like his...uncle.
 
But those vows are easily transferable. His duty is to protect the realm. That is the ultimate duty of a king.
 
Donal Noye needed to die so that Jon could become LC, (and so that Mag the Mighty got a somewhat strange death).
 
Once the Wall comes down there will be no Night Watch :)
 
Somehow I think not. There was another Battle for the Dawn long ago, and even after the Others were defeated the Wall was needed to keep them from returning. I don't think its something you can actually put an end to. Kind of like gravity.
 

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