I no longer feel obligated to purchase ADWD. Is that wrong?

Felt like a rant after reading everyone else's similar frustrations to mine - kind of brought it back to me how much I had been looking forward to reading ADWD and how frustrated I felt after not hearing a dicky bird from GRRM!
 
Although in a way it's been a good thing as I've discovered loads of new authors such as Sanderson, Abercrombie and Erikson, although I think this has more to do with good recommendations from the nice people on the Chrons than my frustrations with GRRM.

I have nothing against the guy - if I was him i'd no doubt be doing the same thing. A few million in the bank, a TV series in the offing - happy days.
I used to wish he'd just hurry up as ASOIAF is a great read but now I'm more open minded - if he doesn't finish it so what? There's plenty more out there to read and one of these days when I have a few minutes I'm going to put pen to paper myself.
 
Felt like a rant after reading everyone else's similar frustrations to mine - kind of brought it back to me how much I had been looking forward to reading ADWD and how frustrated I felt after not hearing a dicky bird from GRRM!
You had said "rant over" in your OP. I personally have no problems with rants/complaints etc., but I do think that you're wrong about GRRM not mentioning ADWD, or giving updates about it. SOme of them are a bit obscure though :)
 
Although in a way it's been a good thing as I've discovered loads of new authors such as Sanderson, Abercrombie and Erikson, although I think this has more to do with good recommendations from the nice people on the Chrons than my frustrations with GRRM.

I have nothing against the guy - if I was him i'd no doubt be doing the same thing. A few million in the bank, a TV series in the offing - happy days.
I used to wish he'd just hurry up as ASOIAF is a great read but now I'm more open minded - if he doesn't finish it so what? There's plenty more out there to read and one of these days when I have a few minutes I'm going to put pen to paper myself.

I've said before that there are plenty of other good/great books to look into while waiting for the next ASOIAF installment (albeit not all of them fiction or modern), but when it comes to fantasy there's no question for me that ADWD is the most anticipated.

I'm not familiar with Sanderson, but Abercrombie and Erikson left me cold - if I'm going to commit to a huge series I expect more from the first book (obviously some would disagree, but Abercrombie lacked a detailed environment, while Erikson lacked detailed characters - ASOIAF has both in abundance).

As for his blog, there was a point where I checked it regularly, but now I just cheat and wait for my fellow chronites to point out any significant developements. ;)
 
ADWD is probably for my most anticipated fantasy release, namely because I've been waiting for it for longer than any other book. However, I'm also very much looking forward to Wise Man's Fear by Patrick Rothfuss and The Republic of Thieves by Scott Lynch, both due out early next year. I'm hoping it will be a splendid trifecta of releases!

I'm not familiar with Sanderson, but Abercrombie and Erikson left me cold - if I'm going to commit to a huge series I expect more from the first book (obviously some would disagree, but Abercrombie lacked a detailed environment, while Erikson lacked detailed characters - ASOIAF has both in abundance).

That's a shame you feel that way about Erikson. I do agree with you that GRRM is a lot better at developing memorable and substantial characters quickly, but I think Erikson is still very good at what he does. Plus, I thought Deadhouse Gates (the next one in the series) was a lot better than Gardens of the Moon, although I did like GotM quite a bit. Of course, each to their own!

I think I like GRRM's blog because of all the extraneous stuff - the tv series, various tidbits and merch related to the books, even his NFL comments. I actually haven't read the sample chapters nor do I want to - I want to go in fresh. I guess I just enjoy the way he writes in any capacity. I feel the same about Rothfuss, incidentally.
 
I don't feel particularly obligated to buy any book. I just buy what I want to buy... and so I'll buy ADwD.

That said, a small part of me is hoping that eventually (many years from now, I guess) we'll get an edition of ASoIaF that combines AFfC and ADwD, splitting it into two books that follow the chronological order, instead of this rather awkward "South|North-Across the Sea" divide.

I could see that happening after the relevant season/s of the TV series have aired, actually. I hear that's how they're planning to adapt AFfC/ADwD to television, anyway. Wonder what title/s they'll go for...
 
I could see that happening after the relevant season/s of the TV series have aired, actually. I hear that's how they're planning to adapt AFfC/ADwD to television, anyway. Wonder what title/s they'll go for...
Assuming ASOS is broadcast in a single season (and that the series is successful enough to continue), the material from AFFC and ADWD will appear on screen as Game of Thrones seasons four and five.

But if you mean the names of the republished books (in the event that they decide to re-package them): Who knows?

(I doubt they will repackage; and personally I'd prefer GRRM to get on with writing the last two books rather than checking for time-inconsistences between two books that would already be on the shelves. And if edits were required, which would be considered to be canon?)
 
Assuming ASOS is broadcast in a single season (and that the series is successful enough to continue), the material from AFFC and ADWD will appear on screen as Game of Thrones seasons four and five.
Indeed, but it won't be AFfC and then ADwD, by my understanding. It'll be the two combined for both Seasons 4 and 5. Assuming, as you say, that ASOS is one season, and it's all successful enough to continue, yada yada.

(I doubt they will repackage; and personally I'd prefer GRRM to get on with writing the last two books rather than checking for time-inconsistences between two books that would already be on the shelves.
... well, yeah, me too. How could they release "an edition of ASoIaF" before the series was complete, exactly? :p

Perhaps I should have made it clear I was referring to a complete edition... but I thought that went without saying. Sorry.

And if edits were required, which would be considered to be canon?)
I'm not sure what edits you're talking about, really. I'm just saying that I'd like them to eventually -- "many years from now" -- rearrange the POVs from both AFfC and ADwD into something closer to chronological order. Though, obviously there would be some degree of overlap, as there always is.

Perhaps it wouldn't be so simple... but I'm under the impression that keeping the timeline consistent is one of the things that has dragged out the writing of ADwD. So I wouldn't expect there to be a huge number of discrepencies. *shrug*

Though if edits were made, then the most recent edition would take precedence. When has that ever not been true of fiction? :confused:
 
Hi I'm new here. It's sad that the delays in GRRM book is what made me finally want to post. I'm sorry but as someone wrote in an article else where, I bought the story, not part of the story that you find in one book at a time. My feeling is that our money is why he is able to live in the lavish style in which he does. By him not concentrating on writing the book and doing every other thing under the sun instead, how can I not feel like I am being used?

The way I look at it is, he is spending so much time doing other things other than writing the book, how can he not help but be distracted when he sits down for the 2 hours a month he actually works on the book? He is thinking about all his other projects, his trips his conventions, his Giants and Jets. Your telling me that isn't distracting? As others have said, at this point he probably dosn't even want to write the book. His attitude toward his fans about him not finishing is very hostile to say the least. I imagine him sitting down to write the next part and saying "No, I'll teach them and not write the book. Now where did I put that Wild Cards manuscript?"

The man shows no respect for his fans at all unless it involves lining his pockets. I understand how it can become tedious to constantly respond to questions on how well the book is coming but to give us nothing at all? I am a Giants fan so yes there are a few of us. That being said, does he really think that I care what he thinks about the latest games? Why is he willing to take the time to mention that and every other thing he wants to sell us and barely mention the "Series" that gave him this popularity?

I for one will never buy another series of books by an author until they are nearly complete or done. Now I ask you, where would Martin be now if all of his fans had done that with his first books? Imagine all the new authors just starting out that will now face this problem because authors like Martin have taught us to be like this?

Check out his latest "not a blog." Because of a sickness, he will not be able to make a major announcement he was planning on making. He never says what the announcement was going to be. I suspect it's just him pretending, AGAIN, that his book is almost done without saying it so he can't be called on it. Want to bet the announcement was about him going to the Super Bowl or he has a new "Wild Cards" addition or his 2011 calendars are out of stock but if you send him a check for $40 plus postage he will mail you one right away. Unsigned though because it's too draining for him to do that right now.. LOL.

He goes on to say that he won't be posting on the "not a blog" thread or work on any of his MANY projects much if at all because it's too draining for him. But good news, he will be able to attend the two conventions later in the month to collect his.... oh I mean to meet his fans. But please, don't bring much for him to sign as that will ware him out. Please, go read it for yourself.

I am looking forward to the HBO series greatly but I find myself barely interested in his books any more. When this book finally does come out, right around the time he wants some more money is my guess, you do realize that we are just resetting the clock for the next book. Are you really prepared to go through this at least 2 more times again?

One more thing, if you can't write a book a 5 years, your in the wrong profession. I or any one of us here probably could have finished the book with all the back information we have by now and it would have been good too. You guys are giving these authors way to much credit. Not to mention that it was about 5 years between the last two books and most people didn't like the last book at all. I refuse to read half a book so I haven't read that one yet but what if this book is equally as disappointing as the last one won't you be asking yourself, " it took 5 years to write this?" I really hope it's not but chances are it might be.

And we aren't even talking about writing the whole book we are just talking about a "knot" he can't untie. I ask you, when we read this knot he couldn't untie, will your remember it for 5 years?" Or will we all say, "That took 5+ years to figure out?"

I wish I had the patients some of you others do but to me, when we put up with this type of behavior and treat it like, "Oh it's just an artist being and artist. It takes time to create a masterpiece." You are just encouraging him and others to do it more often. Lets say Mr Martin were to lose all his money and possessions. Watch how quickly he writes his books then.

I'm just expressing my feeling on this. Showing my frustration. If you feel differently, hey that's cool too. Just not for me.

A Very disappointed fan
 
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Um, George RR Martin is not your bitch?

Sorry if that seems harsh. As you say, you are entitled to your opinion as much as anyone else is, but you might want to consider some of the points Neil Gaiman makes in that article and try to see things from the author's point of view. To criticize GRRM for taking 5 mins to write a blog post or daring to watch a football game in the evening - you know, just like regular folks do - isn't entirely fair. The next book will be out when it's out, let's chill meantime. :)
 
Hi I'm new here. It's sad that the delays in GRRM book is what made me finally want to post. I'm sorry but as someone wrote in an article else where, I bought the story, not part of the story that you find in one book at a time. My feeling is that our money is why he is able to live in the lavish style in which he does. By him not concentrating on writing the book and doing every other thing under the sun instead, how can I not feel like I am being used?

The way I look at it is, he is spending so much time doing other things other than writing the book, how can he not help but be distracted when he sits down for the 2 hours a month he actually works on the book? He is thinking about all his other projects, his trips his conventions, his Giants and Jets. Your telling me that isn't distracting? As others have said, at this point he probably dosn't even want to write the book. His attitude toward his fans about him not finishing is very hostile to say the least. I imagine him sitting down to write the next part and saying "No, I'll teach them and not write the book. Now where did I put that Wild Cards manuscript?"

The man shows no respect for his fans at all unless it involves lining his pockets. I understand how it can become tedious to constantly respond to questions on how well the book is coming but to give us nothing at all? I am a Giants fan so yes there are a few of us. That being said, does he really think that I care what he thinks about the latest games? Why is he willing to take the time to mention that and every other thing he wants to sell us and barely mention the "Series" that gave him this popularity?

I for one will never buy another series of books by an author until they are nearly complete or done. Now I ask you, where would Martin be now if all of his fans had done that with his first books? Imagine all the new authors just starting out that will now face this problem because authors like Martin have taught us to be like this?

Check out his latest "not a blog." Because of a sickness, he will not be able to make a major announcement he was planning on making. He never says what the announcement was going to be. I suspect it's just him pretending, AGAIN, that his book is almost done without saying it so he can't be called on it. Want to bet the announcement was about him going to the Super Bowl or he has a new "Wild Cards" addition or his 2011 calendars are out of stock but if you send him a check for $40 plus postage he will mail you one right away. Unsigned though because it's too draining for him to do that right now.. LOL.

He goes on to say that he won't be posting on the "not a blog" thread or work on any of his MANY projects much if at all because it's too draining for him. But good news, he will be able to attend the two conventions later in the month to collect his.... oh I mean to meet his fans. But please, don't bring much for him to sign as that will ware him out. Please, go read it for yourself.

I am looking forward to the HBO series greatly but I find myself barely interested in his books any more. When this book finally does come out, right around the time he wants some more money is my guess, you do realize that we are just resetting the clock for the next book. Are you really prepared to go through this at least 2 more times again?

One more thing, if you can't write a book a 5 years, your in the wrong profession. I or any one of us here probably could have finished the book with all the back information we have by now and it would have been good too. You guys are giving these authors way to much credit. Not to mention that it was about 5 years between the last two books and most people didn't like the last book at all. I refuse to read half a book so I haven't read that one yet but what if this book is equally as disappointing as the last one won't you be asking yourself, " it took 5 years to write this?" I really hope it's not but chances are it might be.

And we aren't even talking about writing the whole book we are just talking about a "knot" he can't untie. I ask you, when we read this knot he couldn't untie, will your remember it for 5 years?" Or will we all say, "That took 5+ years to figure out?"

I wish I had the patients some of you others do but to me, when we put up with this type of behavior and treat it like, "Oh it's just an artist being and artist. It takes time to create a masterpiece." You are just encouraging him and others to do it more often. Lets say Mr Martin were to lose all his money and possessions. Watch how quickly he writes his books then.

I'm just expressing my feeling on this. Showing my frustration. If you feel differently, hey that's cool too. Just not for me.

A Very disappointed fan
There's a really simp0le solution. No one is forcing you to read or buy his books. Don't read him, end of story. There are plenty of authors out there that regularly grind out mediocre stuff. I prefer the Sistene Chapel to a Jackson Pollack "painting" but that's just me.
 
Um, George RR Martin is not your bitch?

Sorry if that seems harsh. As you say, you are entitled to your opinion as much as anyone else is, but you might want to consider some of the points Neil Gaiman makes in that article and try to see things from the author's point of view. To criticize GRRM for taking 5 mins to write a blog post or daring to watch a football game in the evening - you know, just like regular folks do - isn't entirely fair. The next book will be out when it's out, let's chill meantime. :)

But it's been over five years....:rolleyes:
 
Because of a sickness, he will not be able to make a major announcement he was planning on making. He never says what the announcement was going to be. I suspect it's just him pretending, AGAIN, that his book is almost done without saying it so he can't be called on it. Want to bet the announcement was about him going to the Super Bowl or he has a new "Wild Cards" addition or his 2011 calendars are out of stock but if you send him a check for $40 plus postage he will mail you one right away. Unsigned though because it's too draining for him to do that right now
I simply don't understand this. The only people waiting for ADWD are his publisher(s) and all those readers who've read as far as the end of AFFC. I expect that the publisher(s) have a pretty good idea of the situation. So that leaves the rest of us, prompting the question: Why would GRRM pretend that ADWD is nearly ready to us?

This can't be to alter our behaviour. I can't buy a book that hasn't been published; neither can I unbuy the books I've already bought. (I don't know about you, but I can't travel back in time and tell myself not to buy the books.) So who benefits? No-one does, so there's absolutely no logical reason for GRRM to behaved the way you assert. None whatsoever. In fact, if GRRM wanted us to think the book was almost here, he wouldn't be telling us how it's coming along slowly, or that he's had major problems with the plot; he wouldn't be writing on NotaBlog about the Giants and the Jets, or about his attendances at shows, or about the merchandise, or the other books he's written, co-written or edited, or his involvement in the HBO series.

I find it more than hard to believe that you've read the books, where GRRM has written some incredible devious characters, and yet you still think that he's come up with a conceit that a first-grader could see through. Even so, I'm not going to accuse you of pretending to have read AGOK, ACOK, ASOS and AFFC, because I can see no other reason for your deeply personal and uncalled-for attack on their author; no, I'm going to assume that there's another, all too obvious, explanation for your belief in this absurd, illogical theory....
 
I think it's perfectly fine to criticize GRRM if that's what you are feeling. This forum isn't just for the positive or patient fan. Every author/human will have their pros and cons, and people are entitled to their opinion accordingly. GRRM just seems to march to the beat of his own drum. However, I can ensure you that as the days turn into weeks, weeks turn into months, months into years, years into half decades, the tide will indeed start to turn toward the impatient, frustrated, and fed up fans, as the fan is human too!

Seriously, I am considering starting a "GRRM sound off your displeasure" thread. Sometimes, it's good to get on your soapbox to get your frustrations off of your chest. In the end, we will still be GRRM fans, correct?
 
It's one thing complaining about him not finishing a book. It's another saying that he's not only a liar but a pretty incompetent one at that. (ASoIaF is about intrigue; it's clever and smart. Its author can't be an idiot, but wolfpost must believe, given what he's posted, that GRRM is one.)
 
I have to say that I can understand the frustration, and some of wolfposts points, although stronger than I would have said them, ring true. I think Gry Wnd makes some good points also.

I feel George R. R. Martin has, for all his hard work, been handsomely rewarded thus far. I feel therefore that there is perhaps some obligation for him to finish the series. However, I know this argument is not really about that, it is more about the time scale...I do not feel that in this respect he has any responsibility to stick to any timeline - save that of his health.

As long as they are finished, then i'm good. (It's not a threat George, don-t worry :) )

Gamblor
 
I think it's perfectly fine to criticize GRRM if that's what you are feeling. This forum isn't just for the positive or patient fan. Every author/human will have their pros and cons, and people are entitled to their opinion accordingly. GRRM just seems to march to the beat of his own drum. However, I can ensure you that as the days turn into weeks, weeks turn into months, months into years, years into half decades, the tide will indeed start to turn toward the impatient, frustrated, and fed up fans, as the fan is human too!

Seriously, I am considering starting a "GRRM sound off your displeasure" thread. Sometimes, it's good to get on your soapbox to get your frustrations off of your chest. In the end, we will still be GRRM fans, correct?
Quite frankly, no IMO. There are forums where all people do is bitch about GRRM. He's too slow, he's too fat and he's going to die, he's too much of a perfectionist, his books are too long, I hate his hate, he needs to trim his beard, he spends too much time traveling, rtc. etc. etc. One of the main reasons i love this forum is becuase it's NOT full of whining and complaining about something we all have control over- we can either read his stuff, or not. I for one am really disgusted with the cesspool of whining that the internet has become, although i guess that you can say I'm adding to that by complaining about it :) It's nice to have a safe haven where the intent is to intelligently discuss a series/author that we all love. Start your thread if you like, it's your perrogotive, but i won't participate.

Nothing personal. I think you make a fine Lord Commander
 
I think the mistrust that the fans are feeling in which his honesty is in question stems from him saying AFFC would in fact be realeased the following year. (I truly feel this is the bulk of the detractors ammunition stash:D)

Let's just be hypothetical for a moment. Would the current "patient" fans be as understanding if this drags out another 5 years? With all of the updates he's giving such as: "5 more chapters, breaking thru the knot, shoveling snow, etc... ". Let's be honest, the frustration will continue to mount in many more of the so called "patient" or "understanding" fan. It's inevitable!

Just a FYI, you dont grow more patient the longer it takes for something you're eagerly anticipating.

Again, I'm not defending or supporting either side. It just is what it is.
 
Nothing personal. I think you make a fine Lord Commander

Thanks Imp! Will you be coming back to the Wall in the upcoming books? I really enjoyed our conversations. Although, I can't offer you much of a "safe haven", with Winter Coming and all. ;)
 
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