Timba
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Jon isn't a Stark... He's one ******* of many other bastards fathered by lords for thousand of years.... Most lords have bastards all over the place. Even Robert bastards couldn't claim Storm Ends or anything else. No lord will follow a *******... That's why Roose made Ramsey Legit... It was the only way he could marry Arya Stark...
Stannis was trying to make Jon a Stark because that was the only way to get the North to follow Jon. If Stannis could have used Jon Snow to rally the North, he wouldn't even try to make him a Stark. Even Lord Manderly wouldn't support Stannis without Rickon... They need a true born Stark. Jon couldn't even sit at the same seats with the Lords.
******* have no claims and especially a deserter from the NW which Jon would have been... And this ******* leading a wildling army... The Northern lords hate Ramsey but they do recognize lords and bastards... They would support Ramsey any day not because they like him... But if bastards could start over throwing a legally anointed lord, all hell would break out... They all got many bastards...
You argument that they hate Ramsey so much they would support him just don't fly... Most know that Jeyne isn't Arya... Most know the Freys murdered Robb their king... Most know Roose was part of the murder... But none do anything... Roose was legally appointed the Lord of the North until a Stark is found... Not a Snow... That's why Manderly need Rickon...
Jon gave Stannis good advice not to march the wildling north... Why would he make the same mistake?
I am not so sure most know that Jeyne isn't Arya. At one point Theon thinks about telling Mance (Abel) and the spearwives but then decides not to. At another point when Jeyne speaks to loosely he admonishes her to remember who she is, Arya, or the **** will really hit the fan. I would agree that anyone who had known the real Arya like Theon did would recognize that Jeyne was not the real article but who would that be? Most of them are dead. Possibly Manderly who is clearly no fool but given how young Arya was at the start of the series I am not certain that Manderly had ever seen her. I am thinking he did not move his tonage around the countryside with any regularity. Do you have a reference that leads you to this conclusion?