Pure Speculation RE; A Song of Ice and Fire.

SotM, some of us sometimes theorize that Tyrion is in fact a Targaryen... he just doesn't know it yet. I personally like this theory, but Martin is probably just teasing us.

I personally think Dany hates Jaime with a passion. This will come to a head when she faces off with Tommen... Barristan and Jaime will be at each other's throats. Bye, bye, Jaime.

Cully, help me remember... did Robb legitimize Jon or was he killed before he issued the decree? Jon is a Stark... if Robb legitimized him and the crown recognizes it... if he was given birth to by the wife of a male Stark... or if Bran later legitimizes or adopts Jon. Jon is not a Stark, but has Stark blood... if he was Ned's or Ben's *******... if he is Lyanna's son... or if he is a ******* of one of Ned's parents.
 
Boaz said:
SotM, some of us sometimes theorize that Tyrion is in fact a Targaryen... he just doesn't know it yet. I personally like this theory, but Martin is probably just teasing us.

Cully, help me remember... did Robb legitimize Jon or was he killed before he issued the decree? Jon is a Stark... if Robb legitimized him and the crown recognizes it.
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I have heard the theory about Tyrion. I'll be honest it could very well be true. But I can't buy into it just yet. I think the fans a little to much time on our hands inbetween books to cook up theroies and what not. But please don't let me stop anyone from cooking uo theories.

As far as Jon, I think Robb was thinking of legitmizing Jon I dont remember if Robb went through with his plans. I know Catelyn was having a fit about what Robb wanted to do.

Thanks to Raven and Culhwch for clearing up the Ghoust of Summer hall for me.:)
 
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On Robb legitimising Jon:

There's no chance of the crown recognising the validity of this decree, at least anyone who is likely to hold the crown of Westeros. For it to be valid, whoever recognised it as such would have to accept that Robb was a legitimate King at the time he issued the decree. No-one outside the North is going to do that at any price.
 
Let me give you another crazy theory (bit off topic)

Benjen Stark is alive and he's gonna come back somehow somewhere.
Imagine he travells sooooo far he appears in Dorne !!:p
Or as a new King-beyond-the-Wall...:eek:

I really think that Stark is gonna come back.Wether is for good or not...

Edit: And where on the seven kingdoms :D is Edric Storm at the moment??
 
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My money's on him bumping into Arya - she's already met Gendry so when she meets Edric and see's the likeness she'll put two + two together. After all, Edric know's he's Robert's son :)
 
Edric

Hmm...
I don't really see Edric joining with Arya....I mean, why??
And isn't him going to the Free Cities? How will Arya get there?:confused:

Plus Edric's future looks dark...what are his chances of getting a better life?
He seems to be escaping all time, moving from place to place...******* of an usurper...
 
Re: Edric

Ender, you really do need to re-read. Arya was headed in the same direction as Edric, more or less, as was Tyrion, at the end of ASoS.

As for escaping all the time and not being looked fondly upon because of his birth, I think Dany can relate to that.
 
Boaz said:
Cully, help me remember... did Robb legitimize Jon or was he killed before he issued the decree? Jon is a Stark... if Robb legitimized him and the crown recognizes it... if he was given birth to by the wife of a male Stark... or if Bran later legitimizes or adopts Jon. Jon is not a Stark, but has Stark blood... if he was Ned's or Ben's *******... if he is Lyanna's son... or if he is a ******* of one of Ned's parents.
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Excellent point, Boaz. What I meant was that Jon is of Stark blood, be it Ned's or Lya's, and what I was getting at was that in response to Sword's question of how will Dany know Jon isn't a Stark - well, he mightn't be entitled to the name, and he might have new brothers, but he has shown and will show that he is loyal to his father and helf-brothers and fiercely proud of his Stark heritage - which I think makes him as much a Stark as his true-born sibs. It depends on whether Dany is petty enough to hold Jon's bloodline over him - you have the blood of traitors, ergo you're a traitor - or to look past this, which I'm betting she would. Hope that all makes sense....

WS: On Arya recognising Edric, and figuring Gendry's heritage - don't forget she had already met Robert and Renly before meeting Gendry and hadn't put two and two together. What makes you think this time she won't come up with three again?
 
What if the Blackfish is journeying to the Wall with Robb's papers for Jon?

Would Jaime want to recognize Jon just to try and coax the Blackfish and other Stark loyalists (perhaps even Sansa and Arya) out of hiding?
 
errm first time poster, longtime listener....

Even if Robb did legitimize Jon, cmon he's not leaving the wall. Aint gonna happen.....(if it does I vow to do mean and wicked things to Georgie) Could you imagine Ned leaving the wall to rally the north. Just because Jon broke his vows once (and this is just my opinion) makes it even less likely he's gonna do it again...however Blackfish going north to the wall to do so doesnt offend my sensibilities. He;s not going back to the Vale because of Petyr...more likely he ends up talking to Cats bunch and works with them and eventually stands up to Cat and moves out to someplace else (aiding Brienne mayhaps? Theres a team up Id like to see....)

I dont think the north would follow Jon anyhow. Theyre a queer sort up there. They have a defined sense of honor and wouldnt rally at this late a stage for an oathbreaker.....

Just my two cents...and I would like change
 
I like Jon alot. He's definetly one of my favourite characters but he's human after all. I think he will be offered the throne at some point. His path will cross with Dany's. I think there's a remote chance he may even fall in love and marry Dany (horny incestuous Targaryens and all). But I certainly do not put his on a pedestal like others as an example of honour and keeping vows. He's human after all and who knows, the Wall may no longer be needed after the Wildlings are settled in the Gift and the Others are defeated.
 
Why would The Blackfish be going to the wall? Remember, Jaime OFFERED him the chance of going to the wall, and he turned it down. O.K. so he probably didn't believe him, but he also believes Jon is a treacherous ******* who threw his support to the lannisters (in part due to another of his stupid neice's helpful contributions to peace and harmony in westeros :rolleyes: , and also because it's quite startling that Jon has risen so high at such a tender age: ergo, it cannot possibly be down to his own merit, and so he must have done a service to someone). He isn't going to the wall, because he doesn't trust Jon.
 
The Blackfish has never wanted to be in command. He's wanted (and always gotten to be) second in command as his position. He likes to serve and be a strong right arm. If he thought that it was Robb's last and greatest desire to name Jon as his heir, then Brynden Tully might go at least find Jon and deliver the letter. I'm not saying that Brynden is going to take the Black, he might be seeking a king to serve (somewhat like Barristan)... if Jon is not his target, then perhaps Dany is... the Tullys were strong Targaryen supporters up until the rebellion. That is right when Hoster and Brynden clashed... perhaps Brynden was upset that Hoster was rebelling against the Targaryens (he went to serve Lysa, though, he did not take service with Aerys... perhaps he did not want to kill Tullys on the battlefield)... it's a wonder GRRM can keep all this straight.

Yes, I agree that the legality of Robb's proclaimation would hold no value to the Lannisters and Tyrells at all. I also agree that the Northmen are a different lot... they hold to ancient ways. But when presented with the options of the ******* son of treacherous Roose Bolton supported by Lannister money or the ******* son of the beloved Eddard Stark, which will the Northmen choose?

Jon ran once on his own, he ran once on Qhorin's orders, and he was offered Winterfell but rejected it. I think the likelihood (I don't know that I've ever spelled that word before... it looks wrong) that Jon leaves the Wall is very small. But the story seems to depend on him heavily... and what future is there on the Wall, will he turn out to be Azor Ahai reborn and face The Other? The seven kingdoms have pretty much proven that they refuse to support the Night's Watch. The Night's Watch needs new strength and resources. What if they, with the influx of the Wildlings, declared their independence from the Seven Kingdoms? A crazy idea, I admit, but I'm trying to guess Martin's ultimate goal...
 
I dont see the Dany connection for the Blackfish, and I dont see why he would have an instant dislike to Jon. The more I think about it I dont think he would care in the slightest about Jon, Stark hardly came south with the family and he would probably would have something of Catelyns feelings toward the ******* boy.

Boaz- Metathinking (is that a word? someone please for the love of the Smith tell me) is probably the way to go. Theres a reason GRRM devotes so much time to Jon and thats sure not gonna be to sit idly on the wall counting bags of barley while the Other rolls into the south. Besides we all know Stannis is going to become the embodiment of pure evil and the Red Woman is pushing him that way. C'mon he's gonna live in the Nightfort....thats like putting a neon sign out that says "demonic possession desired....inquire within"

And lastly, as for who the north is going to rally around...we all know how Martin works and if its not gonna be one of the Starks then some new person we never heard of is going to step up...some noble with distant connections to the Starks is still left alive right?.....right?

Personally I dont think Robb ever legitimized Jon at all as heir. Maybe he made him a Stark but I doubt he said "this is my heir until I have a son". We know he was talking about that with Cat but we never saw the words he said...theres a reason George chose to have Robb address his lords off screen. Robb has a history of playing the boy in front of his mother and saying those things he wants to make true, then doing the right thing at the end. Morelike at that point in the story he took Sansa out of the rightful path of succession and unknowingly put a big wrench in the Littlefinger political machine. I dont know who he would name at that point in time, believing all his brothers dead, his sisters (if Arya is still alive) could be easily used by his enemies....I have absolutely no clue who he would name.
 
Ooops ignore anything I typed about the Blackfish not liking or trusting Jon. I just reread Jaimes offer to take the Black...

The lesson as always...stay in school....
 
I suspect one way or another the Blackfish will eventually meet Jon Snow if only to come full circle in realising his family's faults. Think about it Brynden's life has been one of learning as much as you may love them family can often disappoint you. Hoster was too stuborn and too proud, Lysa weak willed and later insane and Edmure rash and over-confident, the Blackfish was far too intelligent to not notice all these faults nor to ignore them.

The sole member of his immediate family, Brynden hasn't seen majorly disappoint him yet is Catelyn. Of course if Brynden was to meet Jon Snow, the Blackfish is perceptive and open minded enough to realise Jon despite being a ******* is essentially a good person who like Ser Brynden Tully himself has attempted to do his best for his family while constrained by distance and duty. Which is only likely to make him realise Catelyn's chief fault of judging people with her heart rather than her head.

Besides one thought I've always wondered about Brynden and Cat (which indirectly impacts on Cat and Jon), is that Cat's relationships with Brynden and Hoster respectively may be in truth reversed...
 
I think it is truly possible that Jon is a targaryen *******, but the whole lot of you seem to forget ghost, you all belive that if he is a targaryen ******* that he is going to be on of the three heads of the dragons, i dont see it that way, he has his direwolf, he is not gonna have dragon as well, maybe i am wrong though for it is a song of ice and fire, so maybe direwolf is his ice part and the dragon his fire part, but it just seems to unlikely.

Wether he will or not be a tragaryen *******, i just dont see him as one head of the dragons, he has ghost redeyed and white
 
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