Pure Speculation RE; A Song of Ice and Fire.

[Werthead]

Of course, the prophecy could completely screw up and the three heads thing doensn't happen. Although many prophecies have already come to pass (the Prince That Was Promised etc) and Cersei's one looks like it's coming true.

 

[Koopa]

cersei one? dont get it?

 

[Werthead]

The prophecy that Cersei would be killed by her little brother? The one revealed in A Feast for Crows?

 

[Koopa]

ow k, havent read affc yet, not out in paperback in belgium, and not buying harback, and the library is always somewhat behind in these things as well

 

[WadeK]

Speaking of pure speculation...who the heck was Margaery Tyrell sleeping with?!? Before all of Cersei's plotting against Margaery, Grand Maester Pycelle tells Cersei that Margaery was asking for moon tea. Is that all part of Margaery's plot against Cersei? If it's not, who is she sleeping with? It is mentioned more than a couple of time that she is VERY close with Loras, but Loras is gay, isn't he? Besides, Martin wouldn't do the same incest sub-plot twice in one series, right?

So...who could it be?

 

[TK-421]

I don't think she's sleeping with anyone.

 

[Werthead]

Correct. We're told that Margaery is fond of horse-riding and she doesn't always ride side-saddle. Erm, without going into too much detail, her maidenhead was lost that way, not through sleeping with anyone.

 

[the smiling weirwood]

Just losing her maidenhead would not explain asking for moon tea. Although, that could be Pycelle lying to curry favor with Cersei, and now that she is effectively removed from power he could change his story any day now.

 

[Boaz]

But doesn't every one in England drink noon tea? In the US, we usually have it in the afternoon... so what's the big deal with Margaery's noon tea?

 

[Dolorous Edd]

 

[Wil]

But doesn't every one in England drink noon tea? In the US, we usually have it in the afternoon... so what's the big deal with Margaery's noon tea?

 

[Wil]

Speaking of pure speculation...who the heck was Margaery Tyrell sleeping with?!? Before all of Cersei's plotting against Margaery, Grand Maester Pycelle tells Cersei that Margaery was asking for moon tea. Is that all part of Margaery's plot against Cersei? If it's not, who is she sleeping with? It is mentioned more than a couple of time that she is VERY close with Loras, but Loras is gay, isn't he? Besides, Martin wouldn't do the same incest sub-plot twice in one series, right?

So...who could it be?

Maybe Tommen's a lot more mature than he seems (disgusting).

I get the impression from looking at the grandma that Margaery is a wild-child, and clever enough to hide it, so I'm guessing Cersei couldn've been right without realizing it-

Either way, the faith is convinced she's done it, so it doesn't matter how or who. The big Q is how's daddy going to get her out of it. I'd love to see him sack Kingslanding and slaughter the church. The Roses have been too conveniently clean and proper until now (not really doing any ruthless stuff). I'd like to seem them get as filthy and savage as the rest of them.

 

[Wil]

The prophecy that Cersei would be killed by her little brother? The one revealed in A Feast for Crows?

Hey Werthead, I'm thinking Cersei's got it wrong and Jamie, not Tyrion is going to kill her.

 

[Werthead]

That's a popular theory. Guess we'll find out eventually.

GRRM has often said that the War of the Five Kings plot thread is inspired by the Wars of the Roses. A greatly simplied view of the Wars of the Roses was that House York (Stark) waged war against House Lancaster (Lannister) only for House Tudor (Tyrell) to emerge victorious. However, this only really works with the names: the Tudors were an off-shoot of the Lancasters and essentially a continuation of their line, and married into House York as well to reunite the warring factions. Perhaps a hint of the Tyrells taking the throne in the books? Perhaps not, but interesting nevertheless.

 

[WadeK]

Hey Werthead, I'm thinking Cersei's got it wrong and Jamie, not Tyrion is going to kill her.

I'll second that...since valonqar means little brother. Don't forget that even though they are twins, Cersei was born first, and Jaime is awfully upset after finding out about Lancel. I think finding out about Kettleback will send him over the edge.

 

[Aegon the Unworthy]

How about this for a scenario....

Jaime is always worried about redeeming himself...he gets back to Kings Landing after receiving Cersei's missive. Out of loyalty to family and being the only one available defends Cerseis honor against whoever the other opponent is. Beats the foe....has them posed for the killing blow and stops. Hands them his sword and says "kill me". Then stares up at his sister as the sword falls. Cersei screams

and, end scene

The beauty of it is....it completes Jaimes arc in a microcosm. Family and fame coming first at the expense of honor, then sacrifice and redemption at the end. It makes up for his tossing of Bran, self sacrifice in the face of a greater evil would do something to tip the kharmic scales Im thinking.

Yeah yeah...why would Jaime get in the fight first place? Good question. Because he has to...he has a duty to queen and family, and because of his own honor, knowledge, and self-loathing he doesnt want to win. He hoped to do his best and die, but that didnt happen because he's Jaime and when his life is on the line he turns out to still be the best swordsman in the realm (even with his left). Cerseis death becomes more important than his own fame.

And thus the "valonquar" becomes responsible for her death....

Feel free to (nicely) tell me Im an idiot

 

[Werthead]

Not a bad idea. I don't think that Jaime's reached that place emotionally where suicide would be a logical development for him. Also, he's still not good enough with a sword in his off-hand to fight successfully.

My guess is that Cersei will be saved by the newly-unveiled Gregorstein. I'm eager to see if Martin can pull this off without it being utterly cheesy ("GREGOR SMASH!").

 

[Raven]

I'll second that...since valonqar means little brother. Don't forget that even though they are twins, Cersei was born first, and Jaime is awfully upset after finding out about Lancel. I think finding out about Kettleback will send him over the edge.

The slight problem is that the prophecy specifically mentions the valonquar putting his hands, plural, around Cersei's throat. Even if the reference is not literal, it seems a strange choice of words if the valonquar has only one hand.

 

[Boaz]

Raven... long time, no see.

As usual, you have cut to the heart of the matter and supplied a detail that ruins our crazy theories.

 

[YOSSARIAN]

Raven... long time, no see.

As usual, you have cut to the heart of the matter and supplied a detail that ruins our crazy theories.

Actually, Jaime does have two hands. His golden hand can be placed on one side on Cersei's neck for support while his regular hand can perform the fun part of the strangulation. THEREFORE, this theory has been un-ruined.