Casting news from the TV series

HBO have put up a fresh new video about food in the series and the amount of thought they have put into how food in King's Landing should be different from Winterfell and how both should be different from Castle Black. Impressive stuff. They also confirm that they see King's Landing as very much a more Mediterranean-style climate (at least at this point) than is perhaps gotten across in the books.

Lena Headey also gave this mini-update on her Facebook page:

"Game of thrones is coming to the end of the season one shoot and I can tell you that I believe even the most ardent fans will be smiling in 2011. Everyone has brought their A game. Amazing scripts,sets,costumes and a diverse group of interesting/talented actors. Winter is definitely coming.

It was -4 in Belfast the other night...Home sweet warm home is but a few days away"
 
HBO have put up a fresh new video about food in the series and the amount of thought they have put into how food in King's Landing should be different from Winterfell and how both should be different from Castle Black. Impressive stuff. They also confirm that they see King's Landing as very much a more Mediterranean-style climate (at least at this point) than is perhaps gotten across in the books.

Lena Headey also gave this mini-update on her Facebook page:
Not sure how I feel about a "Meditarranean" looking King's Landing. I've always imagined it as being more like someplace in the UK, London perhaps. Idon't expect the series to be 100% faithful to the books, and I expect that attention has to be paid to the visual aspect of things as much as the plot. It's not a deal-breaker for me, I just hope that it isn't the first of a lot of small changes, which could end up to be huge collectively (if they were to occur of course).
 
While I believe Westeros has shrunk in recent years (see this Westeros_Europe comparison map**), it is still a lot larger than the UK.

(I think the shape of Westeros may make people think of the shape of the island of Great Britain, and then trick them into assuming they're the same size.)


On the linked map, Winterfell is placed just north east of Stockholm, whereas King's Landing is close to Milan.




** - Originally linked to by Wert in http://www.sffchronicles.co.uk/forum/525263-westeros-europe-size-comparison.html
 
Thanks Cul and Ursa. I don't think I had ever put any conscious thought into where KL is, rather, I just thought of everyone being British, maybe because my gateway into Westros was via audiobook and Roy Dotrice. The accents he used was primarily English (losts of Cockney), Irish, Scottish, etc. I don't think KL is ever really described in detail, at least not early on in AGOT, so it's kind of a tabla erasa that one can project onto.

Anyway, the info you guys provided was helpful. Thanks much.
 
(I think the shape of Westeros may make people think of the shape of the island of Great Britain, and then trick them into assuming they're the same size.)

Actually, the shape of Westeros makes me think of the shape of two book pages, one on top of the other. :p

Much as I admire ASOIF, I try not to pay too much attention to distances etc. Westeros has the feel of Medieval Great Britain because it is of about the same variety and complexity, and people seem to travel around it with about the same ease/difficulty. No way does it have the feel of a continent the size of the whole of Western Europe, from the Pillars of Hercules to beyond the Arctic Circle. There just aren't enough habitations/cultures. It's the one aspect in which I think GRRM has fallen down slightly. To be absolutely realistic, Westeros should be either smaller or busier. But that's not a large fault.
 
I'm not sure how accurate the information was, but I'm sure that many years ago, I read that France was the most populous nation in Europe on the run up to the French Revolution. (If my memory is not playing tricks, the author - whoever it was - suggested a population of around 20 million compared to Russia's 14 million.) If one looks at a map, even european Russia of that time dwarfs France.


A Wiki article (Demographics of France - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) supports part of this:
To understand the demographic decline of France, it should be noted that France was historically the largest nation of Europe. During the 17th century one fifth of Europe’s population was French (and more than one quarter during the Middle Ages).
To be fair, I suspect that figure of 14 million for Russia comes from an earlier era, as other Wiki articles give a much larger population.


Nevertheless, I don't think the apparent population of Westeros is too small, particularly as we haven't visited many places within it. How much of the Westerlands have we seen? How much of the Reach? we've seen a little of Dorne and a bit of the Stormlands. And let's face it, the concerns of the various story lines have rarely included the demographics of the Seven Kingdoms.
 
Well, I read the books in a short space of time about a year ago, and those that have reread them several times would know better than me, but think of the number of cities in Medieval France, let alone large towns. Then look at a map of Westeros. Either most population centres have been left off the map (and from the descriptions of journeys), or even the temperate, presumably fertile regions are very sparsely populated. Granted, this might have a lot to do with the devastating super-winters that descend every now and then, but it still doesn't seem fully real to me. Which is why I tend to steer clear of thinking too much about it, because I like the books.

Sorry if this has veered OT.

(Edit: thinking about it, one could level exactly the same "criticism" at LOTR. I guess it's to the credit of ASOIAF that it feels realistic enough in other ways for this apparent lack of population to be a possible concern.)
 
Staying off topic for one more post....


I have only read the books once, and in the last couple of years. (I'm saving my reread for a time when I know ADWD is at the printers. :)) So the following comes from possible a greater degree of ignorance about the series than yours, since you've read it more recently. :)

What I have been doing, though, is trying to sort out the POVs in my own writing and applying a truly-focused POV style. As we all know, ASoIaF is very POV-focused and GRRM has gone out of his way to stress this, by naming his chapters after the POVs. So what does this mean?

As I've argued more than once in Aspiring Writers, a strong POV approach limits the experience of the reader, unless the author makes specific allowances. The limitation is this: the POV only thinks (and so can narrate) about certain things.

As I drive about my local area, I do not have a running commentary in my head about what I'm seeing. I take notice of the traffic, in general, and the traffic signals in particular (see later). If something is different, such as work being done on a house that wasn't being done the last time I saw it, I'll notice it. I might even ponder how something hasn't changed for a while, if the mood takes me. What I couldn't do is transcribe my conscious impressions of the journey and turn it into a well-described travelogue, letting those who've never been here visualise the place. And it shouldn't be very hard: most of us living in the UK will have seen very similar scenes. (What I could narrate in detail is the number of times the darped traffic lights have turned red just as I've approached them, even though I've been sticking religiously to the speed limits, and how it all went to pot a few years back with some road closures - not on my route - that changed the traffic patterns for a month or two: now the lights are green for ages to allow non-existent traffic flows to pass, meaning that they're red for me.... *cough*)

This could be considered as the next level of problem up from self-description (You know the how it is: all those useful mirros that our POV characters pass by when they need to describe their faces.) It isn't that the images are not in front of the POVs' eyes, it's that they are not being perceived as they would if new and strange, or if, for some other reason, they are nearer the front of the POV's mind's eye.

An example: I'm the kind of person** who likes lists of facts. I like to know how many people live in this or that place, for instance. But even I don't think about this when I'm doing other things, like driving, or like thinking about my next task or appointment.

It's the same for the POVs: they are concerned with their positions in the game of thrones: to prosper; to avoid losing their advantage. In these circumstances, the adult POVs will not be thinking about every village and town, or about how many people live, or lived, there. (The Mountain that Rides may think about the number that he and his followers have killed on a raid, I suppose. Or maybe not) The towns are milestones on the journey, places of shelter or, possibly, danger. they are not items to be ticked off a list. if, however, there was a POV doing a similar job to those compiling the Domesday Book, we'd know just how many people live in Westeros. I think we'd all be surprised by the answer, as would Tyrion, Jaime, Catelyn, Eddard....)

The crowds of people are noticed, by the way, when they are blocking the route ahead or are tunring into a mob. The numbers gathered locally may then be of interest.


** - We all have our strange obsessions.
 
Based on discussions between GRRM and the world book writers (the heads of Westeros.org), the total population of Westeros appears to be about 40 million. The North is incredibly sparsely populated compared to the other kingdoms, and is only able to muster an army to match the Westerlands or Riverlands due to its colossal size (and remember that Robb couldn't muster all his men in time anyway because of the distances and marched to war with less than half of his total potential manpower).

The Reach is consciously based on France: heavily populated, very fertile, lots and lots of farms, tons of villages and small towns (not shown on the maps) and one very large city (Oldtown). Dorne is Moorish Spain, but with the two competing cultures (Arabs/Spanish vs Andals/Rhoynar) peacefully integrated rather than in conflict. The Riverlands, Stormlands, Vale, Crownlands and Westerlands are basically one culture (Andal) which have deviated due to local conditions but are mostly homegenous. The Narrow Sea islands have more of a Targaryen influence.

Then in Essos you have more cultural diversity: the Free Cities are a mixture of Northern European and Mediterranean free ports and trading city-states. The Forest of Qohor has a Black Forest vibe, Qarth a Constantinople feel, the Jade Sea an exotic, beyond-the-horizon feel (maybe analogous to the Indian Ocean?) and so on.

Back on-topic, the first pictures of Jason Momoa as Khal Drogo.
 
I didn't realise Drogo had a beard. Did I miss something in the text? Certainly not the way I imagined him. He's kind of got a John Rhys-Davies' Sallah in Raiders thing going on...
 
I didn't realise Drogo had a beard. Did I miss something in the text? Certainly not the way I imagined him. He's kind of got a John Rhys-Davies' Sallah in Raiders thing going on...
The only facial hair I remember being mentioned were long mustaches with rings in them
 
Right now he looks like a cimmerian from Howard's Conan stories...smh.

In fairness to Momoa, he did go right from filming the new Conan movie to working on Thrones, and apparently just kept up his training regime.
 
Surprisingly, Beric Dondarrion has been cast with Australian actor David Michael Scott. This is surprising as there seemed to be an expectation that Beric and Thoros were going to be left until Season 3 to be cast (with Beric perhaps being pointed out on the tourney field with his helmet on and being sent on his mission by message rather than directly). Instead HBO seem to have gone for it in Season 1.

That does leave the question of will Thoros also be cast (he could just show up as one of the BwB in Season 3). It also still leaves Walder Frey as, by far, the biggest character not yet cast.
 
Ten new publicity images from the TV show.

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Looks. Awesome.
 
Peter Dinklage just looks fab in every picture I've seen of him as Tyrion. I'm not so sure about Jaime though. I pictured him with longer, blonder hair. He doesn't look "golden" enough, if that makes sense!
 
I think sometimes it's easy to get caught up in the brilliant romantic artwork we've seen of some of these characters -one look at that guy with the blond hair and it could only be Jaime. :) Same with Cersei - not exact depictions, but in the limits of real life, pretty good fits.
 
I think sometimes it's easy to get caught up in the brilliant romantic artwork we've seen of some of these characters -one look at that guy with the blond hair and it could only be Jaime. :) Same with Cersei - not exact depictions, but in the limits of real life, pretty good fits.
That shot of "Tyrion" with Mord (sp?) is fabulous.
 

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