Star Trek: Discovery - new series in 2017

BAYLOR said:
Delays don't necessarily mean problems , It could simply be a scheduling issue.
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It's more financially sound for CBS to swap Good Wife Spinoff with ST. GW has everything built already and they already have the actresses that want to do the show lined up. They have the storyline and the characters and the sets. With ST they have to start everything from scratch and with all those ST alums butting heads, there are bound to be some arguments about where to go with things. GW is way more straight forward as well as cheaper.

However, ST was a thing that was supposed to put CBS AC on the map.
 
Cli-Fi said:
It's more financially sound for CBS to swap Good Wife Spinoff with ST. GW has everything built already and they already have the actresses that want to do the show lined up. They have the storyline and the characters and the sets. With ST they have to start everything from scratch and with all those ST alums butting heads, there are bound to be some arguments about where to go with things. GW is way more straight forward as well as cheaper.

However, ST was a thing that was supposed to put CBS AC on the map.
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I have 3 reservations about this series. First off its prequel series to TOS . Second It's not in the Kelvin Timeline. and lastly I'm not crazy about that ship design. But Im willing to give it a chance.

I would like to at least see some footage .
 
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I was sort'a expecting this. When I read they hadn't even gotten all the parts filled, given the scheduled release, it didn't seem likely they'd make it!
 
Brian Turner said:
Launch date pushed back another 4 months to May 2017:
'Star Trek' TV Series Debut Delayed Four Months

Considering that there's no cast, no script, and no director, perhaps CBS should have put it back further, in order to prevent a big rush job that will please nobody?
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They should've hired the fan fiction movie crew, instead of suing them! It was an alright movie and it would have made a cool TV show.
 
Brian Turner said:
Launch date pushed back another 4 months to May 2017:
'Star Trek' TV Series Debut Delayed Four Months

Considering that there's no cast, no script, and no director, perhaps CBS should have put it back further, in order to prevent a big rush job that will please nobody?
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They should take the time to do it right and property because nothing ruins series fortunes faster putting it out as a rough cut. If they take time and care and the series turns out good then, nobody will care about the delay.
 
If ST Beyond is showing anything, the series is going to be great, because that film blew my mind. I haven't seen a good ST movie since number four. All NG movies are a bit lame, and they got muddled quite a lot over the years when studios battled with the writers, producers, actors, directors, and of course fans. I truly hope they'll make more than one ST related series and utilise all things, they've learned about the production, in these days. It doesn't have to be all about special effects, but good ones really help to make the series better.
 
ctg said:
If ST Beyond is showing anything, the series is going to be great, because that film blew my mind. I haven't seen a good ST movie since number four. All NG movies are a bit lame, and they got muddled quite a lot over the years when studios battled with the writers, producers, actors, directors, and of course fans. I truly hope they'll make more than one ST related series and utilise all things, they've learned about the production, in these days. It doesn't have to be all about special effects, but good ones really help to make the series better.
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Star Trek beyond was excellent . I wish they would do a series which takes place in the Kelvin Timeline.

Of the Next Generation films the only on that's any good is Star Trek First Contact
 
I've been thinking a lot about Star Trek recently. I have only achieved what I've achieved because of it. As much as I've enjoyed the new films as what they are I have, every time, left the cinema feeling like I've watched an homage and not original production. It's got me thinking about the formula.

The Roddenberry formula seems to be that of a near perfect future of man exploring the stars with I infinite tollerance ect ect, I don't need to explain that.

Star trek either deliberately or accidentally had a few other formulas. One of the key things when I think about star trek is it'/ reflections of current issues in society. That's not the one for me.

To me star trek was always about understanding being human. For me and I assume everyone this is the most difficult thing in our lives. Each series of star trek has either deliberately or accidently dealt with this in varying degrees of success.

Star trek had three parts of humanity seperated. Spock like all of us observed human behaviour but unlike most didn't comprehend it. Kirk was confident and bold, Mcoy emotional. I don't want to go into detail as this is well picked up in a recent documentry you should all watch "For the Love Of Spock.".

In TNG we had Data, and Worf. I think together with picard and riker they split human personalities into so many elements they allowed us to think about ourselves in entirely new ways. Series three onwards allowed Crusher and Geordie to become the be Watson to Holmes, -and yes in some episodes that is exactly what happened.

DS9 had to much of these issues developing but remains my favourite, mainly for how I read it and the way i see sisko but it did to much in human analysis for many.

Voyager tried to be to much a remake of the original series with strange new worlds but although inderstanding Janeway vs Chakotay or Kim vs Paris didn't work elements and individual episodes worked well.

For me, well this year is the first time I've watched the whole of enterprise. Enterprise just missed the mark. T'pol was spock but less Vulcan. Archer Was Kirk but what little Kirk and Picard had in common he was more Janeway, Trip and Malcolm could have worked but never carry the story.

I hope discovery can do a lot better than the new gilms and not be a homage but split humanity into what it is and lay it infront of us.
 
I've been watching a bit of DS9 and realised three key things that make it stand out as superior to the other Startrek series that came before and after (even though Voyager tried to repeat part of the formula).

1) It's setting meant that they couldn't rely on monster of the week. Especially as the series gained age they quickly ran out of ways to introduce multiple new species on a per-week basis. This forced them to focus on other areas of story telling through the series not just at the start and end points. Most other Startrek rely heavily upon monster of the week formula to provide the bulk of their story telling even late into the series.

2) Most if not all of the characters came with baggage in recent history and thus their characters were defined as much by their past as their role in the ship.
Odo isn't just the "security" guy he's the security guy with a mysterious past who also worked under the Cardassian occupation; Kira isn't just the second in command she's the guerilla fighter etc.... This I think adds a lot to many of the core characters of the series and fleshes them out in a very real way. It also means the viewer gets to have more understanding of those characters histories and pasts and ways to connect with that outside of the position and rank in the ship.
Compare to other series and most characters roles define their character to a very great extent to the point where we really see very little to contrast against the characters role being the pivotal focus of their life.

3) The story was not just fixed but evolving. Voyager, as an example, might have had a larger overarching storyline; but really its story didn't change all that much week to week whilst in DS9 there were significant shifts in the story as the series evolved which changed the end course of the series (Voyager kind of tried this by throwing the Borg into the mix and making their defeat part of the series; although I always felt a bit cheated by the end of Voyager as they got their "one shot wonder" solution to all their problems in one go).

DS9 thus I think should be the strongest. Like TNG it took what came before and worked hard to improve upon it and add too it whilst developing the narrative storytelling angle whilst not sacrificing quality acting nor the quality of their characters (indeed as I said many were greatly improved). Voyager I see as a bit of a throwback to the old style, which isn't a bad thing but it didn't really try to bring anything new to the table.
 
I think you've you've laid out a very good set of arguments to be fair. Maybe that deep backstory element was part of the human story star trek must follow. I've always wondered why I love DS9 so much when so many do not. I think character depth may be it.

Sisko never wanted to be there. He became more than a father to his son but a guide to a species by taking the choice he thought was wrong for him and his son. This is obvious. What you've said makes me think mostly of the O'brien and Worf characters and Bashir. O'brien had a brief issue with cardasians, all be it designed for the launch of DS9 in TNG and worf throught TNG was always slightly developed but at the expense of data. To the end in TNG briefings went along the lines of "Worf says somethin. Stupid and then....". DS9 really developed these characters. Bashir had no back story came in and was disliked. Gradually we learned the truth about bashir and for me this resembles the federation at the time and the development of bashir shows that eutopia was hard earned and not everlasting. Will you be in Birmingham this weekend?
 
Surprise.

Hannibal's Bryan Fuller has stepped down as the showrunner of Star Trek: Discovery, the CBS All Access series of his own creation which is slated for release next year.

Fuller will stay on as an executive producer, and will be highly involved in shaping the story, but he won't be running the show on a day-to-day basis. That showrunner job will instead be shared by Gretchen Berg and Aaron Harberts, who've recently worked together as writers and producers on Reign and Revenge.

Variety broke the news, offering this explanation for the sizeable shift behind the scenes:

"Sources said there had been some strain between Star Trek producer CBS Television Studios and Fuller over the progress of production on the show, as Fuller is also juggling the final weeks of shooting and post-production duties on Starz’s upcoming drama American Gods and prepping a reboot of Amazing Stories for NBC.

"Fuller has penned the first two scripts for Discovery and has hammered out the broader story arc and mythology for the new Trek realm. But it became clear that he couldn’t devote the amount of time needed for Discovery to make its premiere date and with production scheduled to start in Toronto next month."
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Star Trek: Discovery - Bryan Fuller steps down as showrunner
 
Vince W said:
I think you can say goodbye to this series. It's looking more like a non-starter every day.
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Oh they'll make it. CBS has invested too much into this show to spearhead their online streaming service. The question is how will other ST veterans feel about Fuller's exit and if they will jump ship, watering down the series and leaving the rest of the people to make it something worse and something that it's not.
 
Maybe in reality we don't need this.
Whatever it is or could be it will be entertainment. Star trek was always more than that for me.

I don't need to explore the history of the federation. I don't need to see thestrain and struggle it may take to get there.

I believe a united humanity can achieve incredible things. We already have. You can actualy watch the power of union through the ISS.

Star trek will always be incredibly important to me because it ws the inspiration for any good I have done in my life. It is not there to be an en entertainment and it is not quite needed yet.

It's just not time yet.
 
In Zhuge Liang's writings, he argues that officers should be found for roles, not positions for officers (ie get the right man for the job, don't just give your mates the plum jobs). This feels like it might be a case of wanting some success/money and going to milk the Star Trek cow, instead of starting off with a good idea.

Perhaps I'm wrong. Hopefully I am. But the last Star Trek series I watched almost all of was DS9.
 
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