Jon Snow -- Beware of Spoilers

[The Imp]

Re: Jon Snow

Well, in any case it's past time Jon visits the tombs beneath Winterfell.
As such Bolton's summons, and his 'death' comes in handy in many ways.
Or it's just wishful thinking, not wanting Jon to be dead.

I think you're right, and Jon will go to the tombs and... Wake the dragon

How many times have we heard Viserys use that phrase? I'm betting that there is a sleeping dragon under Winterfell (the reason for the hot springs) and that Jon will wake it.

I'm apparently going for the Guiness Book of World Records record for most crackpot theories relating to one book series

Thanks for the inspiration Kiwibird

 

[Tywin]

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I think you're right, and Jon will go to the tombs and... Wake the dragon

How many times have we heard Viserys use that phrase? I'm betting that there is a sleeping dragon under Winterfell (the reason for the hot springs) and that Jon will wake it.

My theory: Jon is the stone dragon (like all the Targaryens are dragons), and the event of his murder here is the prophesied "awakening". The smoke from the knife wound is the same as the smoke that pours out of the spear wound that Drogon takes back in the pit in Mereen.

Like when Daenerys entered the fire out on the Dothraki plains and did not die, but was reborn (awakened) under all the signs of the prophesy, Jon meets all the signs for his own rebirth/awakening (star, salt, etc.).

This fits with R+L=J, which I think makes a lot more sense than Ned having a ******* on any random girl during the war (why try so hard to hide the identity of the mother? Because Robert has already proven that he is willing to kill Targaryen children.)

It also fits with Mel's earlier visions that Stannis had to awaken the dragon - it was his actions in coming to the wall that led directly to the awakening of Jon the dragon.

 

[The Imp]

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My theory: Jon is the stone dragon (like all the Targaryens are dragons), and the event of his murder here is the prophesied "awakening". The smoke from the knife wound is the same as the smoke that pours out of the spear wound that Drogon takes back in the pit in Mereen.

Like when Daenerys entered the fire out on the Dothraki plains and did not die, but was reborn (awakened) under all the signs of the prophesy, Jon meets all the signs for his own rebirth/awakening (star, salt, etc.).

This fits with R+L=J, which I think makes a lot more sense than Ned having a ******* on any random girl during the war (why try so hard to hide the identity of the mother? Because Robert has already proven that he is willing to kill Targaryen children.)

It also fits with Mel's earlier visions that Stannis had to awaken the dragon - it was his actions in coming to the wall that led directly to the awakening of Jon the dragon.

Welcome Tywin. Excellent first post. What you say makes sense, although we'll need to see how the Jon "situation" turns out before we know :0

 

[juleska]

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My theory: Jon is the stone dragon (like all the Targaryens are dragons), and the event of his murder here is the prophesied "awakening". The smoke from the knife wound is the same as the smoke that pours out of the spear wound that Drogon takes back in the pit in Mereen.

Like when Daenerys entered the fire out on the Dothraki plains and did not die, but was reborn (awakened) under all the signs of the prophesy, Jon meets all the signs for his own rebirth/awakening (star, salt, etc.).

This fits with R+L=J, which I think makes a lot more sense than Ned having a ******* on any random girl during the war (why try so hard to hide the identity of the mother? Because Robert has already proven that he is willing to kill Targaryen children.)

It also fits with Mel's earlier visions that Stannis had to awaken the dragon - it was his actions in coming to the wall that led directly to the awakening of Jon the dragon.

Excellent theory! I think this idea works better (stone dragon being awakened) than a live dragon living in the cellars of Winterfell. Live dragons do have to eat, after all, and if Dany's dragons are any indication they eat quite a lot!

 

[The Imp]

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Excellent theory! I think this idea works better (stone dragon being awakened) than a live dragon living in the cellars of Winterfell. Live dragons do have to eat, after all, and if Dany's dragons are any indication they eat quite a lot!

Perhaps dragons hibernate, or perhaps go into a state of inactivity when there isn't enough magic around. Maybe being close enough to the North and Weirwoods gave the dragon enough energy not to die but but not enough to be active. Of course though, one would think that we'd have heard of a dragon living in or under Winterfell. Certainly Old nan would have a story, or a singer.

 

[Tywin]

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That's the really clever thing about Old Nan. From an author's point of view he can instantly build a backstory to anything he wants by having one of his characters recall "an old story that Nan once told them"

And thanks for the welcome, I'm glad to be here.

 

[TK-421]

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Melissandre is close at hand to feed Jon's body to the flames and awaken a dragon. Just trying to keep up with the latest theory.

 

[viZion]

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Melissandre is close at hand to feed Jon's body to the flames and awaken a dragon. Just trying to keep up with the latest theory.

I'm fine with that just so long as she isn't resurrecting him.

 

[Tywin]

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One point of interest with this theory:

Daenerys = doesn't burn (except for her hair), both in the fire when she hatched the eggs and from Drogon's fire.

Quentyn Martell = burned to a crisp by dragon fire

Jon Snow = badly burned fighting the white walker in Lord Mormont's quarters. His hand stiffens up every other page during the Jon chapters.

Bottom line: Jon is flammable.

 

[The Imp]

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One point of interest with this theory:

Daenerys = doesn't burn (except for her hair), both in the fire when she hatched the eggs and from Drogon's fire.

Quentyn Martell = burned to a crisp by dragon fire

Jon Snow = badly burned fighting the white walker in Lord Mormont's quarters. His hand stiffens up every other page during the Jon chapters.

Bottom line: Jon is flammable.

That's an interesting point about Jon being "flammable" Assuming R=L=J then half Targ blood deosn't do you a whole lot of good with fire.

Slightly off topic, does anyone know if anyone other than a targ has ridden a dragon? I can't remember any. Also, No person has ever ridden two. Just in case anyone was wondering and didn't remember that little tidbit that GRRM threw out in ADWD

 

[3EyedCrowsEye]

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I'm pretty positive only a Targ has ridden a Dragon

 

[lynx_54321]

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Didn't the Valyrians hold such power because of their dragons? I may be wrong but I beleive the Targaryens were right at the western edge of the empire near Westeros so I would assume not every dragon was rode by a Targaryen in this period.

 

[viZion]

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Didn't the Valyrians hold such power because of their dragons? I may be wrong but I beleive the Targaryens were right at the western edge of the empire near Westeros so I would assume not every dragon was rode by a Targaryen in this period.

I believe this is correct. The Targaryens were just the only ones to move away (and they took their dragons with them) before the Doom and therefore became the only survivors. I'm pretty sure that's right.

 

[Tywin]

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I believe this is correct. The Targaryens were just the only ones to move away (and they took their dragons with them) before the Doom and therefore became the only survivors. I'm pretty sure that's right.

I'm not sure that the timeline for the Doom of Valyria and the arrival of the Targaryens in Westeros is laid chronologically anywhere in the books. So we don't know if they fled the Doom itself, or established themselves in Westeros and then the Doom happened back in Valyria or what. (anyone with the books in front of them feel free to straighten me out here if I'm wrong)

We do know that there were 'Valyrians' left in other places after the Doom, notably Volantis, but we don't know if they had any dragons or not after the Doom, or for how long. If they did have them, they were gone by the time that Volantis tried to rule the remnants of Valyria's empire.

 

[viZion]

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So we don't know if they fled the Doom itself, or established themselves in Westeros and then the Doom happened back in Valyria or what.

Sorry I wasn't clear. I was trying to say that the Targaryens moved away and established themselves and then the Doom happened and that's why they kept their dragons while everyone else lost theirs. I.e. they weren't fleeing the Doom but they just happened to luck into moving to Dragonstone at the right time.

Of course, I'm working from memory here so I could be off as well.

 

[The Imp]

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Sorry I wasn't clear. I was trying to say that the Targaryens moved away and established themselves and then the Doom happened and that's why they kept their dragons while everyone else lost theirs. I.e. they weren't fleeing the Doom but they just happened to luck into moving to Dragonstone at the right time.

Of course, I'm working from memory here so I could be off as well.

I think your recollection is accurate. I've always thought that the Targs were either lucky or knew something, and established their "outpost", thus escaping what might have been some insane magical experiments(s) that went awry and caused the "Doom"

 

[Samwell]

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The thing about the Doom is what the Citadel is hiding in its libraries and crypts... well, until now.

The Doom was a volcanic eruption, or if it were the work of some deity, we'll have a more powerful supercontinental god lurking in the shadows, stronger than the Red God, the Drowned God, the Old Gods of the North, or the Faceless God of Braavos. I don't think that's how theology works in that world (who knows?)

Back to Jon. Whether it's a case of R+L=J, the real problem Jon has to face is himself, now being an oathbreaker in heart. The Watch is an ancient institution: its oaths are sworn to kept. Earlier, his oathbreaking was a call of duty. Now there are little excuses. To live one, and being scorned by everyone, is worse than living like Jamie Lannister. Given, Jon's temperament, the poor boy will be hurt far more than this death.

But I feel Jon will go on living. Remember, the color of his direwolf-it's different. White direwolves have been known to die, but grey ones? Something special is in store for sure.

Oh, how I hate that man GRRM!!

 

[The Imp]

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The thing about the Doom is what the Citadel is hiding in its libraries and crypts... well, until now.

The Doom was a volcanic eruption, or if it were the work of some deity, we'll have a more powerful supercontinental god lurking in the shadows, stronger than the Red God, the Drowned God, the Old Gods of the North, or the Faceless God of Braavos. I don't think that's how theology works in that world (who knows?)

Back to Jon. Whether it's a case of R+L=J, the real problem Jon has to face is himself, now being an oathbreaker in heart. The Watch is an ancient institution: its oaths are sworn to kept. Earlier, his oathbreaking was a call of duty. Now there are little excuses. To live one, and being scorned by everyone, is worse than living like Jamie Lannister. Given, Jon's temperament, the poor boy will be hurt far more than this death.

But I feel Jon will go on living. Remember, the color of his direwolf-it's different. White direwolves have been known to die, but grey ones? Something special is in store for sure.

Oh, how I hate that man GRRM!!

Welcome Samwell. I think you reversed the solors of the direwolves as you spoke about Jon's

 

[Jaqen H'gar]

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The thing about not burning is that it is unique even among the targaryens. Viserys burned, and we hear of tons of other targaryens burning (like the one who drank wildfire). I'm pretty sure the whole non flammable thing is completely unique to daenerys

 

[Koopa]

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Danaerys is NOT freaking inflammable !!!!
Jeez.