Jon Snow -- Beware of Spoilers

[NenadBulaja]

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I don't think he's ever revealed anything that has yet to happen, other than a general statement that "there will be a lot of action at The Wall" in TWoW, or something vague such as that. Being able to warg into a dragon would be the equivilant of a nuclear weapon. I suspect that it will only happen if the force that is being encountered is vastly superior to whatever is available in the world right now. If I was GRRM I wouldn't answer that question either

Yeah, self guided nuclear weapon! Don't tell me that you expect anything else than that force with which The Others will step up will be anything less than jaw dropping. Why else four books of preparation and building of suspense?

Well that figures, after all you are The Imp, your fathers (GRRM) favored son

 

[The Imp]

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Yeah, self guided nuclear weapon! Don't tell me that you expect anything else than that force with which The Others will step up will be anything less than jaw dropping. Why else four books of preparation and building of suspense?

Well that figures, after all you are The Imp, your fathers (GRRM) favored son

I beleive that warging into a dragon will be possible, and that jon or Arya will be the one who does it. Dad won't confirm though

 

[NenadBulaja]

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I beleive that warging into a dragon will be possible, and that jon or Arya will be the one who does it. Dad won't confirm though

Arya? Elaborate please!

 

[Eulalia]

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I think Bran is pretty proficient at warging, too. Arya has shown that wargin can be long distance. Bran, also, doesn't mind heights and has flown with the 3 eyed crow, right? He can't fall while he is part of a tree.

 

[NenadBulaja]

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Well Bran is good candidate, with his powers growing, my guess is that any creature he sets his mind on warging will have extremely tough time resisting him. Arya has her wolf dreams, but, excluding Sansa and maybe Rickon, she has least of experience in warging of all the Stark kids. But this is the post by The Imp, and there must be some solid theory behind his claim, and I want to hear it.

 

[The Imp]

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Arya? Elaborate please!

I think Ayra will be the most powerful of the "mobile" Stark. She's already warging, and I think will definitely be reunited with Nymeria at some point. I don't think Bran is leaving that cavern. Sansa\s wolf is gone, so i wonder about her ability to warg at all. Jon is only half Stark. I also see Arya as having more of a chance of surviving than anyone other than Bran. if one of the heads is a Stark, it COULD be Arya.

 

[NenadBulaja]

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I think Ayra will be the most powerful of the "mobile" Stark. She's already warging, and I think will definitely be reunited with Nymeria at some point. I don't think Bran is leaving that cavern. Sansa\s wolf is gone, so i wonder about her ability to warg at all. Jon is only half Stark. I also see Arya as having more of a chance of surviving than anyone other than Bran. if one of the heads is a Stark, it COULD be Arya.

Well see what is Jon, don't be so certain in his half of anything, this is GRRM we are talking about. Bran not leaving the cavern doesn't mean much, as I understood greenseeing is more powerful version of all the powers people connected to the old gods have (and more) all in one person, so, I believe, his warging capabilities in the future will impress us all.

Interesting, I don't see her with Nymeria at all. We agree that she will be most powerful of the mobile Starks,if she survives training. But somehow her becoming Faceless Man (or in her case woman), doesn't sit well with possibility of her being one of the dragon head (and this is something I thought about a lot, since is of crucial importance for the plot).

 

[The Imp]

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Well see what is Jon, don't be so certain in his half of anything, this is GRRM we are talking about. Bran not leaving the cavern doesn't mean much, as I understood greenseeing is more powerful version of all the powers people connected to the old gods have (and more) all in one person, so, I believe, his warging capabilities in the future will impress us all.

Interesting, I don't see her with Nymeria at all. We agree that she will be most powerful of the mobile Starks,if she survives training. But somehow her becoming Faceless Man (or in her case woman), doesn't sit well with possibility of her being one of the dragon head (and this is something I thought about a lot, since is of crucial importance for the plot).

I think the 3 "heads" will be a Stark, a Trag and a half Stark/half Targ-

I agree that Bran's powers may be such that he actually becomes a god.

Arya reminds me most of her father, and is in my mind the most "SatrK" of the remaining kids.

 

[Slovian]

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I think the 3 "heads" will be a Stark, a Trag and a Arya reminds me most of her father, and is in my mind the most "SatrK" of the remaining kids.

I guess its unpopular, because everyone loves Arya, but I think, that she becoming faceless assassin is there for one reason. At the end of her training she will have a mission of great impact on some other storyline. It may be Dany (slave masters - lot was being said about how wealth they are), or someone important in Seven Kigdoms (eg. Young Griff). There will also be a moment where she will have to decide is she still Arya Stark of Winterfell or nameless, faceless assassin. And final choice probably will be something in between. She still keeps her Needle close by, have a wolf dreams and keeps her prayer. But on the other side, she went throught so many names, places and people. From the first books GRRM had shown process of her adjusting to violence and horros - even in small details like as she picks apple from amongs hanging corpses. And GRRM won't just discard all her grim story, and make it have impact on what Arya will become. And judgeing from reaction of that mad witch-prophet she met being captive of Beric Dondarion some of her future deeds will be dark indeed. I don't see a saviour of Westeros in Arya.

Ok and one more question I was thinking about few times. Does anyone of you think Littlefinger could be real Sansa father?

 

[Slovian]

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Ok and one more question I was thinking about few times. Does anyone of you think Littlefinger could be real Sansa father?

Sorry I retreat from that. Catelyn as POV character stated that she had no contact with him after his duel with Brandon Stark.
I just got into suspicions because of very special threatment, that mix with little of affection Littlefinger for Sansa. Of course she reminds him Catelyn, and is his chance to have his own ruler over Winterfell and north. But just so she is so odd in Stark's family, so different, so selfish and lacks any similiarities to Eddard. Also Littlefinger tells her much, and teaches her how to play the game, like he would teach his kin. But I retreat from that.

 

[Tywin]

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Originally Posted by Slovian
I just got into suspicions because of very special threatment, that mix with little of affection Littlefinger for Sansa. Of course she reminds him Catelyn, and is his chance to have his own ruler over Winterfell and north. But just so she is so odd in Stark's family, so different, so selfish and lacks any similiarities to Eddard. Also Littlefinger tells her much, and teaches her how to play the game, like he would teach his kin. But I retreat from that.

I think Littlefinger shows far too much sexual attraction towards Sansa to be her father. I think revenge on the Starks who were always too 'good' for him by making one of their own into his prodigy might be on the agenda.

Originally Posted by The Imp
Arya reminds me most of her father, and is in my mind the most "SatrK" of the remaining kids.

Really, Arya? Not Jon? I understand that he might not actually be Ned's son, but he sure does act like a little mirror image. I don't see Ned ever reciting a list of names of people he wants dead, or displaying any of the other darker elements of Arya's character.

 

[The Imp]

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I think Littlefinger shows far too much sexual attraction towards Sansa to be her father. I think revenge on the Starks who were always too 'good' for him by making one of their own into his prodigy might be on the agenda.



Really, Arya? Not Jon? I understand that he might not actually be Ned's son, but he sure does act like a little mirror image. I don't see Ned ever reciting a list of names of people he wants dead, or displaying any of the other darker elements of Arya's character.

And yet, Ned went to the Twoer of Joy with 6 of his friends.

I agree that Jon is more "Stark" than Arya, but I see him as a bridge between Stark and Targ, so I didn't include him.

 

[Needle]

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I honestly had not considered Arya as a dragon rider, but if someone does actually warg a dragon, my vote is to Arya. She is by far the toughest, and let's be frank, the meanest of the Starks! She would be the most capable of winning what would surely be an awesome fight for dominance in trying to control a dragon from within. Whether or not she earns the title of Faceless Man she is and will remain Arya of House Stark.

I have been sure from the beginning that Jon is one of the three heads. He is the connect between Targ and Stark. Such a connection must exist for it to be a song of Ice and Fire instead of a song of Ice or Fire!

I would have to say that Jon is the most Ned-like of the Stark children. But for the Starks in general, it is Arya! Think the Kings of Winter, they were not nice guys!

 

[NenadBulaja]

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OK, this thread is going MY WAY, favored topic of mine was always destiny of the Stark kids.

1. Arya - Faceless Man with the flaw (or you might say improvement) in that she never forgets who she is. Will be overpowered as is, so I don't want her to be one of the dragon heads. Whoever earns that trait will have to bear responsibility of ruling and whatnot, and I have different destiny for her in mind.

2. Sansa - Justifiably one of the most hated characters, but GRRM shows that one of the things he plans with his characters is to allow them redemption. And I suspect that she will be a sight to see once she learns the Game, and pass by mastering her teacher in it.

3. Bran - Thrown from the tower in the beginning of the books, his destiny is grim. And again he turns out to be one of the most powerful beings in Westeros. He will be the glue that connects the Stark kids, Old Gods and Children of the forest.

4. Rickon - Everybody lost sight of this boy. He is too young and too out of the picture so everybody just pass him buy in their theories. Guess what, I think he will be next King of Winter, ruler of Winterfell, and one of major characters in the incoming books.

5. Jon - I do not agree with the course GRRM is taking this character and have sad that many times. Not sure about his origin, and have a feeling that GRRM is preparing more surprises for this boy. Be that as it may, he is my candidate for one of the dragon heads, dead or alive!

Last thing is that I don't think that dragon arrangement's will be T,T/S,S . It's simply too convenient, and GRRM doesn't write that way.

 

[The Imp]

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OK, this thread is going MY WAY, favored topic of mine was always destiny of the Stark kids.

1. Arya - Faceless Man with the flaw (or you might say improvement) in that she never forgets who she is. Will be overpowered as is, so I don't want her to be one of the dragon heads. Whoever earns that trait will have to bear responsibility of ruling and whatnot, and I have different destiny for her in mind.

2. Sansa - Justifiably one of the most hated characters, but GRRM shows that one of the things he plans with his characters is to allow them redemption. And I suspect that she will be a sight to see once she learns the Game, and pass by mastering her teacher in it.

3. Bran - Thrown from the tower in the beginning of the books, his destiny is grim. And again he turns out to be one of the most powerful beings in Westeros. He will be the glue that connects the Stark kids, Old Gods and Children of the forest.

4. Rickon - Everybody lost sight of this boy. He is too young and too out of the picture so everybody just pass him buy in their theories. Guess what, I think he will be next King of Winter, ruler of Winterfell, and one of major characters in the incoming books.

5. Jon - I do not agree with the course GRRM is taking this character and have sad that many times. Not sure about his origin, and have a feeling that GRRM is preparing more surprises for this boy. Be that as it may, he is my candidate for one of the dragon heads, dead or alive!

Last thing is that I don't think that dragon arrangement's will be T,T/S,S . It's simply too convenient, and GRRM doesn't write that way.

Rather than hijack this thread, perhaps start a new one

 

[NenadBulaja]

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Rather than hijack this thread, perhaps start a new one

Will do!

 

[NenadBulaja]

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No hijacking, there is new thread about Stark kids, so anybody interested to discuss go there. Won't post here about that anymore.

Thanks for the warning Imp.

 

[Tywin]

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Originally Posted by The Imp
And yet, Ned went to the Tower of Joy with 6 of his friends.

Again with the Tower of Joy. Refresh my memory, but isn't the Tower of Joy where Ned went to find his sister after Aemon ran off with her? You keep referencing the Tower of Joy in a way that makes me think that there is an abundance of discussion on the topic that happened in threads before I found this site. Would you mind elaborating on how going to the Tower of Joy shows Ned's dark side?

 

[3EyedCrowsEye]

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Again with the Tower of Joy. Refresh my memory, but isn't the Tower of Joy where Ned went to find his sister after Aemon ran off with her? You keep referencing the Tower of Joy in a way that makes me think that there is an abundance of discussion on the topic that happened in threads before I found this site. Would you mind elaborating on how going to the Tower of Joy shows Ned's dark side?

What Ned did at the tower of joy was rebelling against the king (which for Ned must have been really trying on his honor) and having to fight to the death with some legendary kingsguardmen and slay them, not to mention the death of his sister and the promise she made him keep. whatever happened at the tower of joy has always been a burden on his mind and honor, and (I think) shaped a lot of his later decisions that we saw. Though I really don't think the tower of joy is very relevent to the progress of the main story, I still think it is a very cool story that I would like to know in more detail.

 

[The Imp]

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No hijacking, there is new thread about Stark kids, so anybody interested to discuss go there. Won't post here about that anymore.

Thanks for the warning Imp.

Not a warning, just a suggestion to alleviate my own guilt, as I hate hijacking threads