Jon Snow -- Beware of Spoilers

[Slovian]

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I like the idea of Jaime and Brienne together ... and yet, somehow, I just can't see it.

I can. Jaime is kind of.. Naughty boy, who were more horny about Carsei the more bizarre their situation where (like their moments in great sept). And basically he is very hungry. Just one accidental moment and they will go off. Of course I'm not talking about laughing and smiling children, marriage and happy ending. Tywin put it together perfectly.

 

[NenadBulaja]

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Yeah, erotic dreams about Brienne might lead to something sexual. And I actually can picture them standing back to back trading blows with some unknown attackers. But no future for those two, as two warriors can't have peaceful future. What can happen (in some super optimistic scenario), is that Jaime makes Brienne pregnant, and then gives his life for her and the baby to live on, this way taking back his honor and for once fulfilling his role as a father in the right way.

 

[rafar]

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When are these Starks going to learn that the instant they lock up or drive off their wolves to appease someone else their lives are in mortal peril?

I was sooo thinking the same thing. Everytime he saw Mel she told him "Where is your wolf?"
I was like come on Jon she told you so many times

 

[rafar]

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However, that scene at the wall where he makes the speech and reads the letter to everyone is one of the best scenes in a book I've ever read. It gave me goosebumps lol. And then I almost threw my Ipad out the window a couple pages later...ugh

I thought that was a total miss for him though. Why announce it, gotta think man, although it wouldnt be Jon if it was otherwise. Do a little Littlefinger action, and not so straightforward. Oh well hopefully he'll learn after resurrection

 

[rafar]

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IMO the |obvious choice" is the one that has the greatest impact on the story.

If Ned is jon's father and the mother is the fisherman's daughter (as suggested by Ser Godric to Davos, what would be the outcome, the impact on the story. Would Jon then say "I will weave a mighty net and trap all of the Others. Then I'll forge an alliance with Euron greyjoy and have him drowen them in the waters off the Iron isles". Probably not. That choice would do nothing to move the story along or create anything interesting.

How about Ned is Jon's father and Ashara Dayne is the mother? (We'll ignore the fact that Ashara killed herself after losing her baby). Jon gets to say "I shall find Dawn and slay all of the Others with its' razor sharp edge." that choice is slightly more interesting, but also leads to a dead end.

IMO, the only choice that is really interesting and moves the story forward by leaps and bounds is R+L=J.

And the only reason it's "obvious" is because a few people figured out the clues and it has become "fact" for everyone who is a fan of the books. It was probably the question that "The Davids" got right when they met with GRRM and he agreed to let them adapt the story. I'm not saying that something else isn't possible, only that in most cases, if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a duck.

Totally agree.
In fact there is more evidence that Jon is Ned and Ashara's child. As actually told by a relative of Ashra's household knight (the one who was telling it to Arya, when she was captured by Beric Dondarion). Which frankly left me kind of disappointed, that Jon mom was an unremarkable character in the story.

 

[rafar]

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To be fair, we don't know that for sure but based on what we do know from AFFC, Brienne was not dead in her last chapter.

Totally, the last sentence was "and then she said the words"
Which could mean that she said that she agreed to kill Jamie
Wasn't surprise to me that she came back at all

 

[rafar]

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Oh Imp, you missed my whole new point! There was no volunteer, no one died who wasn't already dead! Those bodies in the Wall cells, one of them is twice dead now!

Oh my god, yes! That's why he couldn't reach Longclaw at his back!!!

 

[rafar]

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We can't assume that it was ned that Selmy was referring to. It could have been Brandon, no?

That's exactly my thoughts at the time I was reading. Since Brandon was kinda rowdy, whether Ned was calm and straightforward. Also, the scene when Bran was looking through the tree and Ned and Lyanna were sparring and she was beating him lol

 

[Shini]

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Is Jon Snow dead?

Personally I don't think so.
As a POV character he's too important to kill off. Especially since he's the only POV left in the Night Watch - as far as I know, here DOD was published in two parts and only the first part has been released already - and if he dies there is no connection to the Night Watch anymore through a character.

These could have happened:

Since I believe the builders were the ones who attacked Snow, I think the riders will take care of Jon. And maybe the wildlings might come to help as well, when they're back?

If his body is too damaged he might do the same as Bran and move his spirit into Ghost.

And if he's really dead he might still live on in his wolf while Melissandre tries to revive him.

And about the raven that said his name before he lost conciousness? I have an inkling it might have been Bran in the hide of that raven. As he is powerful enough to do it. That or Brynden, the greenseer.

Ah well, theses are just some of my musings.

 

[The Imp]

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Is Jon Snow dead?

Personally I don't think so.
As a POV character he's too important to kill off. Especially since he's the only POV left in the Night Watch - as far as I know, here DOD was published in two parts and only the first part has been released already - and if he dies there is no connection to the Night Watch anymore through a character.

These could have happened:

Since I believe the builders were the ones who attacked Snow, I think the riders will take care of Jon. And maybe the wildlings might come to help as well, when they're back?

If his body is too damaged he might do the same as Bran and move his spirit into Ghost.

And if he's really dead he might still live on in his wolf while Melissandre tries to revive him.

And about the raven that said his name before he lost conciousness? I have an inkling it might have been Bran in the hide of that raven. As he is powerful enough to do it. That or Brynden, the greenseer.

Ah well, theses are just some of my musings.

Welcome to the forum. Much and more of what you mentioned has been discussed in this and other threads, but the idea of Bran or Brynden inside the bird is interesting.

 

[Oberyn]

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Welcome to the forum. Much and more of what you mentioned has been discussed in this and other threads, but the idea of Bran or Brynden inside the bird is interesting.

Maybe jon snow will be revived from the dead in the sixth book or there might be chance that he is not dead at all but injured. But assuming he will be alive ( or there is no point for the much detailed character development so far) , there may be a few possibilities that can happen such as :
- Stannis is killed in the war against bolton and wyman manderly and others still loyal to the young wolf turn against bolton. only they know about the will that robb has confided to them to make jon as his succesor to the throne of king of the north . so they declare him as the king of the north and melissandre will also join with jon since that stannis is dead . And there were also parts where melissandre was mentioning how jon resembled Stannis in many aspects . So jon snow becomes the king of the north and maybe he may even take Val for his wife and lead the war against the boltons with wildings on his side . he will have karstarks on his side ( with help from alys karstark) , white harbour, the greatjons as his allies. who knows maybe theon would confront jon about the truth that bran and rickon are still alive and much more can be expected ..

But hey .. this is just my idea of how things will shape up

 

[The Imp]

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Maybe jon snow will be revived from the dead in the sixth book or there might be chance that he is not dead at all but injured. But assuming he will be alive ( or there is no point for the much detailed character development so far) , there may be a few possibilities that can happen such as :
- Stannis is killed in the war against bolton and wyman manderly and others still loyal to the young wolf turn against bolton. only they know about the will that robb has confided to them to make jon as his succesor to the throne of king of the north . so they declare him as the king of the north and melissandre will also join with jon since that stannis is dead . And there were also parts where melissandre was mentioning how jon resembled Stannis in many aspects . So jon snow becomes the king of the north and maybe he may even take Val for his wife and lead the war against the boltons with wildings on his side . he will have karstarks on his side ( with help from alys karstark) , white harbour, the greatjons as his allies. who knows maybe theon would confront jon about the truth that bran and rickon are still alive and much more can be expected ..

But hey .. this is just my idea of how things will shape up

You raise an interesting point, and much of what you say rings true.

Robb making Jon his heir (thus legitimizing him) could very well mean Jon taking what is his inheritance and birthright rather than what Stannis offered him as a bribe. Robb's offer is more genuine, as he was King in the North, and I beleive you're correct in saying that the rest of the North would follow Jon. To extend this further, Winterfell will be the gathering point for Arya, Sansa and Rickon, with Bran being the eyes and ears in the cave. The Night's Watch will be Jon's Lightbringer. Maybe the bittersweet ending is Jon having to kill Arya )Nissa Nissa is an almost perfect anagram for assassin).

That's probably going a little too far though.

 

[Needle]

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You raise an interesting point, and much of what you say rings true.

Robb making Jon his heir (thus legitimizing him) could very well mean Jon taking what is his inheritance and birthright rather than what Stannis offered him as a bribe. Robb's offer is more genuine, as he was King in the North, and I beleive you're correct in saying that the rest of the North would follow Jon. To extend this further, Winterfell will be the gathering point for Arya, Sansa and Rickon, with Bran being the eyes and ears in the cave. The Night's Watch will be Jon's Lightbringer. Maybe the bittersweet ending is Jon having to kill Arya )Nissa Nissa is an almost perfect anagram for assassin).

That's probably going a little too far though.

Too far!! Too far!! If this should happen GRRM had better sleep in his knifeproof earmuffs!

 

[The Imp]

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Too far!! Too far!! If this should happen GRRM had better sleep in his knifeproof earmuffs!

knifeproof earmuffs is a hilarious visual and thought.

Would you put it past him though? Sacricing Arya, that is.

 

[Oberyn]

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You raise an interesting point, and much of what you say rings true.

Robb making Jon his heir (thus legitimizing him) could very well mean Jon taking what is his inheritance and birthright rather than what Stannis offered him as a bribe. Robb's offer is more genuine, as he was King in the North, and I beleive you're correct in saying that the rest of the North would follow Jon. To extend this further, Winterfell will be the gathering point for Arya, Sansa and Rickon, with Bran being the eyes and ears in the cave. The Night's Watch will be Jon's Lightbringer. Maybe the bittersweet ending is Jon having to kill Arya )Nissa Nissa is an almost perfect anagram for assassin).

That's probably going a little too far though.

why would jon kill arya?

 

[Tywin]

why would jon kill arya?

Because the author is an evil, bitter, man.

 

[The Imp]

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why would jon kill arya?

Because if he did it correctly if COULD be the ulimate bittersweet ending,

 

[Needle]

knifeproof earmuffs is a hilarious visual and thought.

Would you put it past him though? Sacricing Arya, that is.

Because if he did it correctly if COULD be the ulimate bittersweet ending,

Unfortunately, no I wouldn't put it past him. If it comes down to it though I have a different scenario in mind: Big, strong Jon (AA. dragonrider, warg) completes awesome feats and then, let's see.... His mind is overwhelmed by the dragon he has become and Arya must kill him!

 

[Sir Ronti the Bad]

It seems Jon Snow knew nothing,Ygritte was right !

 

[Oberyn]

no chance.. arya will not kill jon .. they ll team up together nd kill the frey bastards..!!! :-|