The Valonqar

Mmm, but wouldn't it be so sweet if it were Jaime? I really think his holding onto her ankle at birth meant something, like Jacob's being the "supplanter." Wouldn't it be so Cersei to misinterpret everything?
 
Yeah, when novices and acolytes take their exams at the Citadel, failing is called cerseing.

"Dude, when Archmaester Washburn, like, asked the origins of obsidian, I totally cerseied it. So I was, like, Gnarly stuff from the sea? And he was all, Duh, No."
 
I think 50% of Oregonians are really Californians.

So, there are two likely "whos" (Tyrion and Jaime), so what are the "hows"? Someone said jaime may indirecly kill cersei by neglecting her, but I think the words "put his hands around your pale neck" are pretty indicative that the Valonqar will directly murder Cersei or take a direct and active role indriving her insane, purposefully.
 
I have a lot of time on my hands for the next week, so I am going to reread the series.

When I first heard the word "valonqar" it sounded to me like an inflected form of the word "Valor," as in "valar morghulis" and "valar dohaeris." Another thing that made me think it may not mean "little brother" is that Cersei found it out later, not from the maegi but from someone else. Is that person's command of High Valarian reliable?

Someone somewhere, somewhere else, speculated as to the meaning of "valar dohaeris" (I am going astray here). Ygritte says to Jon, "All men must die, but first we'll live," or something live that. The person speculated that, "First we'll live" was the proper response to give to the greeting "Valar morghulis."

So, what does the possible root word "valar" mean? Or I am just hyper-linguistic in my thinking?
 
I think you guys as of late are looking for something that isn't there. Like all this talk of it being a neuter noun or whatever and what Valar means etc...

It is what it is ,in my opinion. It means brother, but I think she is thinking of the wrong brother or actually she might have got it right and it might be Tyrion.
 
I hope it simply means, "brother" and that Jaime ends up killing her. To me, Jaime is the mostly person to take out Cersei. For some reason I just don't see Tyrion doing it.
 
DeannaBelle said:
I have a lot of time on my hands for the next week, so I am going to reread the series.
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In a week?!?! You'll wind up like that Korean guy a few years back who played Starcraft for 72 straight hours in an internet cafe... he just rolled over and died.
 
That may happen some day. I have traits of OCD, with my compulsions ever changing. This month it's about ASOIAF.
 
I think it will definately by Tommen who kills Cersei.
GRRM makes it quite obvious that the young queen is whispering in Tommen's ear and turning him against his mother. It is also clear that she knows about Cersei's scheming...
 
Given that Margaery is in custody as well, it seems unlikely.
GRRM did point out several times how Tommen loves stamping documents with his seal, so in that aspect he may unwittingly kill his own mother.
Then again Kevan seems to be the current Hand of the King, and he does not seem cruel enough to kill his own niece. Force her to join the silent sisters seems more likely. On the other hand, Kevan has had too deal with quite a bit of emotional upsets as of late, that together with Tyrell pressure might make him to have Tommen sign an execution seal.
 
missing an important part of cersei's prophecy that preceeds the valonqar bit. I believe the prophecy implies all 3 of her children are going to die first (3 crowns and 3 shrouds all of gold...or something like that). So i don't think Tommen is a legitimate candidate, except for a premature and untimely death.
 
I thought mostly the same way (till i forget that bit).
The small other part gives credence to the thoughtpattern that the prophecy said shrouds, not deaths, some have pointed out that Myrcella head from now on may be shrouded, given her lack of ear, and scarring.
 
... "Will the king and I have children?" she asked.
"Oh, aye. Six-and-ten for him, and three for you."
The old woman was not done with her, however. "Gold shall be their crowns and gold their shrouds," she said. "And when your tears have drowned you, the valonqar shall wrap his hands about your pale white throat and choke the life from you."
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I've always taken this to mean that our favorite golden haired queen will outlive all three of her children, though, I suppose, it could just imply two of them...

I refuse to accept that it could be Tyrion based mostly on my Cersei Is Always Wrong About Everything theorem. Jaime just makes so much narrative sense though, I'll be shocked if someone else does the deed.
 
Forgive me if this has been mentioned earlier in this thread

Where is it written that the younger brother- Vanlonqar - has to be related to the Lannisters? Wouldn't it deliciously evil of GRRM to make the Valanqr someone like Bran? :) This would also support my theory/feeling gthat the there will be some sort of STarks vs Lannisters plotline in the endgame of the series.

Just a pre-caffiene thought
 
Still waiting for Dragons and don't have the books in front of me, but I think I may have stumbled upon something:
Per Wikipedia: "Everything that she has will be taken away by a younger and more beautiful queen, and then her valonqar (Valyrian for "little brother" or "younger brother") will strangle her to death. Cersei believes (whether correctly or not) that the younger, more beautiful queen is Margaery Tyrell and the valonqar is Tyrion Lannister."

Since I don't have the books, I can't verify the original wording, but perhaps "her" valonqar is referring to the younger queen's valonquar. Which means Margaery's younger brother Loras, Knight of Flowers, who was horribly injured by boiling oil, presumed dying, but status has not been verified...
 
ValarMorgulis said:
Still waiting for Dragons and don't have the books in front of me, but I think I may have stumbled upon something:
Per Wikipedia: "Everything that she has will be taken away by a younger and more beautiful queen, and then her valonqar (Valyrian for "little brother" or "younger brother") will strangle her to death. Cersei believes (whether correctly or not) that the younger, more beautiful queen is Margaery Tyrell and the valonqar is Tyrion Lannister."

Since I don't have the books, I can't verify the original wording, but perhaps "her" valonqar is referring to the younger queen's valonquar. Which means Margaery's younger brother Loras, Knight of Flowers, who was horribly injured by boiling oil, presumed dying, but status has not been verified...
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Gold shall be their crowns and gold their shrouds," she said. "And when your tears have drowned you, the valonqar shall wrap his hands about your pale white throat and choke the life from you
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It's certainly interesting that Maggy doesn't say YOUR Valonqar, but rather, THE valonqar.
 
I'll just add that Cersei thinks Margaery is the younger more beautiful queen destined to replace her.

So it's probably not Margaery.
 
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