The Valonqar

The wording of the prohpeccy is THE Valonqar, not YOUR Valonmqar. The could mean any younger brother, Tommen for instance, or Rickon in the shape of Shaggy Dog, etc. The point is, it doesn't have to be Jaime or Tyrion.
 
I know it could be any little brother, but I rather like the irony if it were Jaime. Cersei has focused on Tyrion ever since she heard this prophecy, and never once considered her other brother (though, why should she?) My second choice is Lancel, since he found religion. Maybe he's a brother of the faith, or something. I still want it to be Jaime though!
 
The Imp said:
The wording of the prohpeccy is THE Valonqar, not YOUR Valonmqar. The could mean any younger brother, Tommen for instance, or Rickon in the shape of Shaggy Dog, etc. The point is, it doesn't have to be Jaime or Tyrion.
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Interesting bit is that in the last episode of GOT, we will see Rickon again when he and Bran share a prophetic dream.
 
The Imp said:
The wording of the prohpeccy is THE Valonqar, not YOUR Valonmqar. The could mean any younger brother, Tommen for instance, or Rickon in the shape of Shaggy Dog, etc. The point is, it doesn't have to be Jaime or Tyrion.
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I still think it should be Jaime yet it would be super cool if it turns out to be Rickon (Shaggy Dog)!
 
TK, I both hate and love the fact that I had to follow that link and then read the synopsi.

Apparently, synopsi isn't a word, but it should be.

I am soooooooooo looking forward to the rest of the season.
 
Wiggum said:
TK, I both hate and love the fact that I had to follow that link and then read the synopsi.

Apparently, synopsi isn't a word, but it should be.

I am soooooooooo looking forward to the rest of the season.
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I agree that it should be :)

the word that's used is synopses

go figure
 
Hi everyone this is my first post here on this forum and i would just like to share a few theories of mine regarding the valonqar and my reasons: (i apologize if any of these have been mentioned earlier and for the craziness of some of the theories)

1) Jon Snow; everyone beleives that he is an unlikely candidate but i read in one of the earlier posts someone thinking that "valonqar" might mean "brother" and i thought that jon snow is a brother of NW and they call each other "brother". Also he has a lot of reasons to want Cersei dead and in the +++spoilers+++ on a dance with dragons in one of his chapters he is really brooding about what has happenned to his family and wants revenge. And he has one burnt hand and is described as being pale in complexion so he probably has pale hands.

2) Loras Tyrell; he is the little brother of Margaery, and Cersei tried to get rid of both of them. Margaery by trying to frame her and Loras by manipulating him into getting himself killed. But this one is dependent on Loras not dying and being still able to move and kill her after his injuries. The tyrells must really hate Cersei right now because of all the plotting she did against them and there might be no better time for them to kill her than now when she is on trial and will most likely be declared guilty if Jaime does not come to her rescue. I can also assume that after his recovery he must be pale as hell and thus have pale hands.

3) Kevan Lannister; tywins little brother he may have her executed for her crimes and as a peace offering to Tyrells. Assuming that, since Cersei is in prison and there is no proper regent, he comes into the picture and becomes the new regent and/or the hand of the king as well and have her executed for her crimes by hanging her(the hands on her neck thing might be symbolic for the office of the hand and hanging her for the choking her or wrapping his hands around her neck part in the prophecy)

well those are my three major candidates on the valonqar. what does everyone think?:)
 
Welcome, snikki! You've chosen a great topic in which to announce your arrival. I probably have made over twenty posts in this thread already, so I won't waste space by reiterating myself... too much.

Let me say that Cersei's instincts are usually correct, it's her intepretation of the situation or her application of tactics that are usually incorrect. She correctly sees threats and potential threats in Jon Arryn, Eddard, Barristan, Stannis, Renly, Tyrion, Margaery, Olenna, Bronn, etc. But she often misunderstands the action needed to remove threats. She sees herself as more restrained than Jaime, yet she's very oportunistic when the opportunity arises. It's the long term planning of which she's incapable. As a child, Cersei murdered her friend in a well. With just a look, she let Pycelle know to make sure Jon Arryn did not recover. She kept Robert inebriated long enough to kill himself. In a week, she built a secret coalition to defy Eddard.

But she misunderstood the timing and handling of Barristan. She's misunderstood Middlefinger's motives. She almost prevented Tyrion and Tywin from saving KL. She's botched the timing on Margaery. She's underestimated both the Iron Bank and the Faith. She's overestimated her agents' abilities to deal with Bronn and the Sparrows.

She knows the valonqar and the younger queen are coming for her. But she'll either over estimate her agents, underestimate her enemies, or misinterpret the threats entirely.

As per my other posts, I contend that the most likely candidates for valonqar are Jaime, Aegon, Jon, and Dany. Tyrion is still a candidate, but less likely. Dany could double as the valonqar and the younger queen. She might be the first head, AA, and TPTWP as well.
 
Probably totally off the wall but reading SOS again, could it be Arya, Cersei is on her hit list, she is currently pretending to be a boy and faceless men can appear as anyone
 
Arya is interesting as her various disguises and names she took to hide herself are foreshadowing what she may become when she emerges from the House of Black and White.
 
Tansy, I'd not considered Arya appearing as a younger brother... impersonating Tyrion or Jaime. What makes this idea even more appealing is Arya as the younger more beautiful queen... she's got the lineage... and she is the spitting image of Lyanna, Cersei's nemesis.
 
Boaz, Arya is no queen. The highest title she had and can have is princess. As for the lineage... other than beeing a descendant of the Kings in the North... I don't know....
 
She's not a queen... yet. If she marries the right person... hmmmm, a Targ. Remember how Targs marry? Well Jon might be half-Targ... Now go back and read all the times Jon thinks about Ygritte.... You'll be shocked to find how many times he compares her to Arya.

And yes, mayhaps Arya will be Queen in the North. Her imposter is soon to be young lady Bolton.

Lyanna was not legally a queen either... but she was Rhaegar's Queen of Love and Beauty. It's a stretch, but mayhaps Arya will be a QOLAB.

I don't have any other silly ideas at the moment, but check this space for further developments.
 
not got to Cersei's prophecy yet but could Arya be the Valonqar rather than the queen lol or Stannis - he has it in for Cersei as well, need to refresh that bit as I am probably missing something from teh prophecy that rules this out i just remember the little brother bit, any chance Stannis is is the little brother and Melissandre the Queen of the Light?

Arya had a list of people she is going to kill and I have a feeling she will get most if not all of them

Re-reading the books with wine tends to get my brain in overdrive lol
 
I have always thought (and really still do) think Tyrion is the Valonqur, but; Tansy may be on to something. As a faceless man Arya could appear as anyone, may even in some way be able to know what Cersei fears. Ceraei is at the top of Arya's list and I agree she will most likely get those that are.

If Robb was King in the North, then Arya is Queen. Robb is dead, Bran is dead, Sansa can't be Sansa right now, Rickon is dead, Jon is a *******, making Arys Queen in the North.
 
This is a good idea Needle, but Bran & Rickon are probably going to reappear at some point, as will Sansa presumably. Every one of her siblings is ahead of her in the inheritance stakes (Bran & Rickon because they are male, and Sansa because she is older). Arya is considered as 'dead' as Bran and Rickon right now, so I don't know if I see this coming to pass. But, maybe once you're officially inaugurated into the Faceless Man clan, you refer to your colleagues as 'brothers'. I don't know.

Agree, that I still think Tyrion is the Valonqar. And, to be honest, I really WANT it to be Tyrion!
 
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