GOT discussion for aSoIaF readers (SPOILERS)

The latest one (you win or you die) has actually got me far more steamed (and not in the way it's intended to...) than any of the others. Who is Roz? And what is the deal with all these added sex scenes stealing time from other stuff that happened in the books? I just don't see the point of it (except for the scenes like Cersei & Jaime and Dani & Drogo that are actually important to the storyline). The story is compelling enough without having to add what they consider to be extra juiciness. It's kind of insulting....

And... end vent!
 
Hmmm... turns out the version I watched was "leaked" so I'm not sure if it is the actual episode or not...
Oh wait - I've just gone back and re-read some of the more recent posts and nope - it is the actual episode. So, my rant stands!
 
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I had no issue with the Loras/Renly scene. It established their relationship, plus gave a lot of background info that will be relevant in future episodes. And let's be honest, you didn't actually see anything (though you hear lots! :p:D) and speaking as a hot blooded female, I may confess to having watched that scene again on Youtube once or twice! :rolleyes:

It's the scenes that don't seem to serve any real purpose beyond showing naked body parts that I would take issue with. They just seem to be piling them on week after week, and I don't feel they bring anything to the story. Maybe it brings in the teenage male demographic who wouldn't watch a show like this otherwise. *shrugs*
 
TSW I can see you like calling people homophobes and stirring a pointless argument here but the fact is the Theon sex scene was as much ranted about, by me and by others.
You just didn't bother to read it and made your conclusions based on a few posts you actually read.

You're seeing the devil where it isn't right now. No-one at this subforum has been anti-homosexuals so stop trying to stir that pot.

Thank you.

I don't know why you feel the need to be so vitriolic.

Edit: And by the way, I read every single one of your posts within the last two months and at no point do you rant about any other sex scene, but numerous times express your distaste at what you see as the insertion of pointless material. What is curious to me is that at one point you say you care nothing for their characters and at another complain that you feel their entire characterization up to this point has done nothing except establish that they're gay.

Edit: At no point was I accusing individuals of being homophobes, except for Slyde, but rather expressing my opinion that the general discussion was unfairly targeting one particular pairing under the pretense of critical discussion.

Really, what was most offensive to me is the assertion that it wasn't necessary or desirable to represent their relationship. As others have noted, the medium of television does not lend itself well to representing how we learned about them in the books, which was through POV's thoughts and third person observations.

However, their relationship is an integral part of understanding them as characters. How else would viewers understand how Loras gives Sansa a rose at the tourney and later doesn't recognize her? Or how it is Margaery has somehow remained a virgin through her first marriage? Or why Loras hulks out and offs the rest of the Rainbow Guard when Renly is murdered?

Others have said they didn't like how soon the audience was "slapped in the face with it." When would be the appropriate time? After those events occurred? After the series was over?

If none of you see the underlying assumption throughout those sentiments, that is, that their relationship is not worth talking or thinking about, and recognize that as homophobia, then I see that I have wasted my time.

Edit: I can't figure out how to quote from other threads except as actual links, but if no one believes me, or hasn't the context to figure out where I'm coming from, read the thread "Game of Thrones HBO - Disappointments, discuss."

http://www.sffchronicles.co.uk/foru...bo-disappointments-discuss-7.html#post1497782

http://www.sffchronicles.co.uk/foru...bo-disappointments-discuss-6.html#post1497737

http://www.sffchronicles.co.uk/foru...bo-disappointments-discuss-5.html#post1497659

http://www.sffchronicles.co.uk/foru...bo-disappointments-discuss-4.html#post1497312

http://www.sffchronicles.co.uk/forum/531746-1-05-game-of-thrones-the-wolf-and-4.html#post1497720
 
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I don't know why you feel the need to be so vitriolic.
Apologies, English is not my first language so it's rather common that I misinterpret the talk by native speakers or come off not quite as I intended myself.

To me it seemed like an accusation that this community as a whole is against the gay scene yet basically approves every other sex scene (be it Viserys, Theon or whoever). But if it was directed more towards Slyde then I understand.

Of course there's always these problems with adaptation. You grow fond of the material you get served with first and then any alterations seem like blasphemy. I'm sure the directors only have good thoughts in mind and they're not trying to go for a mindless show that keeps their audience attracted only with sex scenes.

Right now it just seems that the ONLY way to tell the bits that took a lot of subtext, side dialogues etc in the book, is by giving the "minor" characters a sex scene. It's just starting to get a bit ridiculous. I wholeheartedly agree that there had to be some way to bring in Loras and Renly as characters as they really seemed to be too much in the background and invisible (plus some really weird scene of Renly acting like a teenaged girl in the woods while hunting with Robert).

Personally I don't have anything against homosexuality, I've seen other shows like Spartacus use even more explicit gay material but right now I'd have preferred the subtlety that Martin had in the books. The shaving scene might have been enough to make the viewers think "Wait...are they gay?" and maybe give some more clues later. I personally don't see why it had to be followed by a blowjob (and I also don't see the need for any nude scenes with Ros).

And as far as I remember some bigger hints about Renly's and Loras' relationship also came after Renly's death in the books. I find it more enjoyable to find stuff out later or when you're given clues. The show seems to be using another pattern though (which would be just making it 100% clear for every person tuned in).

Also the matter whether explaining their relationship is crucial to stick to the plot is debatable, I'm not saying it's not needed but I don't also find it THAT important to the whole storyline (considering other major subplots that feel handled rather hurriedly).

As you said you haven't seen the show yet so who knows...You might feel otherwise when you see it. ;) (not in a homophobic way of course, i'm talking primarily from the viewpoint of storytelling)
 
I had no issue with the Loras/Renly scene. It established their relationship, plus gave a lot of background info that will be relevant in future episodes. And let's be honest, you didn't actually see anything (though you hear lots! :p:D) and speaking as a hot blooded female, I may confess to having watched that scene again on Youtube once or twice! :rolleyes:
I completly agree Mesana! Me too!

TSW, please try not to judge others so harshly about a scene you yourself say you have not seen. Personally I don't have a problem with the added sex, be it male/female, male/male, or sure to come female/female. I did not appreciate Roz flashing her coochy for no apparent reason, and the slurping noises which accompany the Loras/Renly scene are totally over the top! I am a grown up, believe me I know what he's doing! :D:eek:
 
I completly agree Mesana! Me too!

TSW, please try not to judge others so harshly about a scene you yourself say you have not seen. Personally I don't have a problem with the added sex, be it male/female, male/male, or sure to come female/female. I did not appreciate Roz flashing her coochy for no apparent reason, and the slurping noises which accompany the Loras/Renly scene are totally over the top! I am a grown up, believe me I know what he's doing! :D:eek:

I think the writers/directors/producers have adopted a "hit them over the head with a sledgehammer in order to make sure they didn't miss that________" philosophy. They've also decided that more sex is better than less sex. I think that these are necessary compromises that we'll have to live with in order to see the series on TV.
 
I think that these are necessary compromises that we'll have to live with in order to see the series on TV.

This is very true Imp. It just seems a shame, because the books are so much more than boobs and butts. Though, I see the books are all back in the best seller lists, so obviously lots of people are getting something out of the TV show and making an effort to read the books. Good for them!!
 
I completly agree Mesana! Me too!

TSW, please try not to judge others so harshly about a scene you yourself say you have not seen.

After my first post I watched not just that scene, but all of the sex scenes to compare for myself.
 
Aw come on guys don't be homophobic. It's only fair that we had that lesbian sex scene as it gave so much :D j/k

Apart from the Ros sex scene which felt toooo long and overdone this episode was pretty good actually.
If I remember correctly Ros was a character in the book though, wasn't she? At least I think she was mentioned when people talked about the brothel near Winterfell.

I liked the Tywin and Jaime scene though + the little appearances by Varys. A bit disappointed that no Tyrion and again no Ghost.

And for some odd reason I still wish Maester Aemon would be bald... While reading the books him being bald and blind seemed to be the main characteristics for me :D
 
Aw come on guys don't be homophobic. It's only fair that we had that lesbian sex scene as it gave so much :D j/k

Apart from the Ros sex scene which felt toooo long and overdone this episode was pretty good actually.
If I remember correctly Ros was a character in the book though, wasn't she? At least I think she was mentioned when people talked about the brothel near Winterfell.

I liked the Tywin and Jaime scene though + the little appearances by Varys. A bit disappointed that no Tyrion and again no Ghost.

And for some odd reason I still wish Maester Aemon would be bald... While reading the books him being bald and blind seemed to be the main characteristics for me :D

I could have sworn I saw Ghost, especially when he returned with the hand.
 
I'm looking for 3 things in next week's episode, which was written by GRRM

1- I want the TOJ flashback before it can't be flashed back to any more.

2- I want an extended 3 eyed crow scene and/or a wolf dream.

3- I'm going to be very interested to see how well we can see Ned as Mr Payne does his work. Yes, I know it's a crackpot theory, but I still am holding hope that there's room for at least ambiguity.
 
I could have sworn I saw Ghost, especially when he returned with the hand.
Yes...I actually made the post like 10 minutes prior to finishing the episode (had to wait on the missus to talk on the phone). :D
Curse early posts! That was a pretty cool scene though!

It's weird seeing the story told in a tv format though...everything seems to go so...fast.

I would have liked the bells of mourning to be heard when Robert died though. Right now it was like "Ned, to the throne room! Oh btw the ex king died"
 
Yes...I actually made the post like 10 minutes prior to finishing the episode (had to wait on the missus to talk on the phone). :D
Curse early posts! That was a pretty cool scene though!

It's weird seeing the story told in a tv format though...everything seems to go so...fast.

I would have liked the bells of mourning to be heard when Robert died though. Right now it was like "Ned, to the throne room! Oh btw the ex king died"

I could have sworn I heard the bells toll, especially during Ned's conversation with Varys and Littlefinger. :)
 
I completly agree Mesana! Me too!

Me three. Glad I'm not the only pervert. ;)

Aw come on guys don't be homophobic. It's only fair that we had that lesbian sex scene as it gave so much :D j/k

Ooh ok. In the interest of fairness, we should now have a gay sex scene, yes? Cos we've not had one yet. ;)

Equality for all! Full frontal nudeness for everyone! Yay! :D
 
Equality for all! Full frontal nudeness for everyone! Yay! :D

Yay too! I'm all for that! :D:D

I loved the scene when Drogo was stalking about his tent vowing to take the Seven Kingdoms for Dany. After having had about 20 words all series, he made up for it tonight. I swear I got goosebumps watching!
 

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